David Martin Jones on his book History’s Fools. How has idealism taken over the west? Why is this disastrous? And is China risking doing the same?

Prof David Martin Jones, the new head of research at the Danube Institute, and formerly of the University of Queensland, joins the podcast to discuss his book History's Fools: the pursuit of idealism and the revenge of politics, published by Hurst and Oxford. Is the West in the grip of foolish idealism? If so, who are the fools? What do they believe? And why does it matter?