Mark Neocleous is Professor of the Critique of Political Economy at Brunel University London and the author of numerous books including Critique of Security, The Fabrication Of Social Order, and War Power, Police Power.

His most recent book, which has just published with Verso, is called The Politics of Immunity: Security and the Policing of Bodies and in it he explores the obsession with immunity that underpins the ideology of liberal capitalism.

In this discussion he explores how security shapes medicine, the importance of demanding a form of healthcare free from institutions like prisons and the police and what the politics of anti-vaxxers reveals about the contradictions within liberal thought.

SUPPORT: www.buymeacoffee.com/redmedicine

Soundtrack by Mark Pilkington

Twitter: @red_medicine__

www.redmedicine.substack.com/