In this episode we talk to Nathan J. Powell who built an app, sold it to his cofounder and then went offline for three years.

Now he's back and he's got some stories to tell. We'll talk about his time with cofounder Michael Koper (another guest of the show) and their app Nusii, a failed startup called FeatureFlex and Nathan's newest product, or rather a productized service called Beyond the Pixel.

Since we're both UX (User experience) people we also dive a little into how UX and UI (user interface) design differ and how you can build an ugly app and still make money with it.