The Seen and the Unseen - hosted by Amit Varma
Ep 384: Narayan Ramachandran Is Playing the Long Game
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Quick takeaways
- Efforts to revamp the Indian state towards effective functionality over multitasking inefficiencies are crucial for progress.
- Narayan Ramchandra transitions from corporate career to fostering societal change through institution-building, emphasizing intentionality, serendipity, and purpose.
- Reflecting on Maharashtra Renaissance and leadership dynamics, emphasis is placed on humility, empathetic and inclusive leadership, and historical figure comparison.
- Surrounding oneself with smarter individuals fuels growth, leadership contributions beyond expertise, rising to occasions, impact of empathy on personal growth, and embracing diverse interests.
- Importance of reading for personal growth, fostering empathy, exploring serendipity, and creating new opportunities through intentional encounters.
- Necessity of transforming education to focus on individualized learning methods, lifelong learning, nurturing ability to 'learn how to learn', and promoting a balance between rigor and liberal arts education.
Deep dives
The Importance of Restructuring the Indian State
Efforts to revamp the Indian state towards effective functionality over multitasking inefficiencies are crucial for progress. Streamlining governmental roles, promoting private enterprise with fewer bureaucratic interruptions, and embarking on a long-term transformational journey through institution building are emphasized.
Narayan Ramchandra's Two Diverse Life Phases
Narayan Ramchandra, transitioning from a corporate career to fostering societal change through institutions like the Takshila institution, embodies a shift towards giving back to the community. His multifaceted contributions in education, public discourse, and societal contemplation illuminate a journey focused on intentionality, serendipity, and purpose.
Exploring India's Historical Renaissance Movements
Reflecting on the Maharashtra Renaissance and leadership dynamics, a comparison is drawn between contrasting leadership qualities of Gandhi, Gokhale, and other historical figures. The discussion spans the nuances of humility, the balance between confidence and humility in political leadership, and the significance of empathetic and inclusive leadership in shaping India's historical and current socio-political landscape.
The Leader's Contribution and Growth through Surrounding Oneself with Intelligence
Surrounding oneself with people smarter than oneself is emphasized as a strategy for growth in technologies like artificial intelligence and finance. The leader's contribution to becoming the sum of all parts is highlighted, drawing examples like Satya Nadella in Microsoft who prioritizes leadership above technology expertise. The importance of rising to occasions and the impact of empathy on broader perspectives and personal growth are discussed, showcasing the correlation between embracing diverse interests and developing genuine empathy.
The Value of Reading and Serendipity in Personal Development
The significance of reading is highlighted as a key practice for personal and intellectual growth due to its impact on various skills like diction, articulation, comprehension, and negotiation. The importance of fostering a broad interest in the world, culture, and different experiences is emphasized for developing genuine empathy. The concept of serendipity, distinct from luck, is explored, focusing on the value of openness, judgment, and intentional encounters in creating new opportunities and learning from unexpected interactions.
Education Transformation, Learning Methods, and Lifelong Learning
The necessity of transforming education to focus on individualized learning methods and lifelong learning is discussed. The conversation addresses the need for nurturing the ability to learn how to learn, emphasizing personalized pathways to education and continuous skill development. The importance of developing a balance between rigor and liberal arts education is underscored, promoting a holistic approach to learning that extends beyond traditional academic structures to unlock individual potential and adaptability.
Starting with Tangible Actions and Projects
The transition from a previous career to a new phase involved immediate tangible projects like deworming school children in India. The focus was on evidence-based initiatives that could be scaled up efficiently. This approach stemmed from a serendipitous meeting with influential figures lamenting lack of progress in their research, leading to real-world implementation and impact.
Exploiting India's Diverse Opportunities and Connectivity
The versatility and opportunities present in India allowed for varied projects across different domains. India's flexibility and connectivity allowed for a broader exploration of initiatives that might have been restricted in more mature economies due to rigid protocols and specialization requirements. This adaptability and openness in India permitted a diverse range of projects from public health initiatives to social impact endeavors.
Future Prospects in a Dynamic Indian Landscape
The unique environment in India currently facilitates a wide spectrum of projects and initiatives across fields. The current flexibility and openness to diverse projects in India may evolve into a more specialized landscape in the future. India's current state allows individuals to explore across domains and benefit from the connectivity and opportunities in a dynamic and evolving nation.
India's Permissiveness in Philanthropy and Social Enterprise
India provides a fertile environment for philanthropic endeavors, allowing a wide range of latitude for innovation and contribution. The complexity of operating environments poses challenges, seen particularly in regulatory hurdles like FCRA. Despite these challenges, examples like Unati, the first social stock exchange listing, showcase the impact of support networks and experience in facilitating such initiatives.
Evolution of Policy Ecosystem and Influence on State Actions
The evolution of the policy ecosystem in India reflects a transitioning approach in influencing state decisions. Moving from reliance on traditional elite-driven interactions to incorporating lateral experts and think tanks, the landscape is gradually shifting towards a more diverse and influential discourse. The role of think tanks in shaping policy solutions and engaging with the state highlights the potential for a more nuanced and impactful dialogue in policy formulation.
He has lived two lives: first he reached the top of the corporate ladder and became a top banker; and now he is embarked upon the long game of changing India. Narayan Ramachandran joins Amit Varma in episode 384 of The Seen and the Unseen to talk about stimulating change, building institutions -- and making ideas and serendipity come together. (FOR FULL LINKED SHOW NOTES, GO TO SEENUNSEEN.IN.) Also check out: 1. Narayan Ramachandran at LinkedIn, Takshashila and Mint. 2. Narayan Ramachandran's quote on timeframes in an interview by Rithika Kumar. 3. India’s Massive Pensions Crisis — Episode 347 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Ajay Shah & Renuka Sane). 4. The omnibus volume of BR Nanda's biographies of Gokhale, Gandhi and Nehru. 5. The Road to Serfdom -- Friedrich Hayek. 6. The Constitution of Liberty -- Friedrich Hayek. 7. Why Talent Comes in Clusters -- Episode 8 of Everything is Everything. 8. Marching For Salt -- Amit Varma. 9. The Reformers -- Episode 28 of Everything is Everything. 10. The Life and Times of KP Krishnan — Episode 355 of The Seen and the Unseen. 11. The Median Voter Theorem. 12. Morgan Hausel's books and podcast. 13. The Fortune at The Bottom of The Pyramid -- CK Prahalad. 14. 'Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman' -- Richard Feynman. 15. Lessons from an Ankhon Dekhi Prime Minister — Amit Varma’s column on reading. 16. The Surface Area of Serendipity -- Episode 39 of Everything is Everything. 17. Mindset -- Carol S Dweck. 18. Dunbar’s number. 19. How Many Friends Does One Person Need? — Robin Dunbar. 20. Religion, Food, Indian Society — Episode 207 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Shoba Narayan). 21. Fixing the Knowledge Society -- Episode 24 of Everything is Everything. 22. When Ideas Have Sex -- Matt Ridley. 23. Traffic -- Tom Vanderbilt. 24. RSJ's newsletter post on Akio Morita and Japan. 25. Praise for intelligence can undermine children’s motivation and performance — Claudia Mueller and Carol Dweck. 26. Sudhir Sarnobat Works to Understand the World — Episode 350 of The Seen and the Unseen. 27. Rick Beato's Ultimate Bundle. 28. Rahul Matthan Seeks the Protocol -- Episode 360 of The Seen and the Unseen. 29. Beware of These Five Fallacies! -- Episode 45 of Everything is Everything. 30. Chip War -- Chris Miller. 31. The Power Law -- Sebastian Mallaby. 32. The Economist, New Yorker and National Geographic. 33. Lords of the Deccan -- Anirudh Kanisetti. 34. Empire of the Mughal -- Alex Rutherford. 35. Vajpayee: The Ascent of the Hindu Right, 1924–1977 -- Abhishek Choudhary. Amit’s newsletter is explosively active again. Subscribe right away to The India Uncut Newsletter! It’s free! Amit Varma and Ajay Shah have launched a new video podcast. Check out Everything is Everything on YouTube. Check out Amit’s online course, The Art of Clear Writing. Episode art: ‘The Puzzle’ by Simahina.
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