Behind The Lines Ep 7 - How to Stop Fascism, with Paul Mason

In 2021, Paul Mason, a veteran journalist familiar to viewers of Newsnight and Channel 4 News, published a book called How to stop Fascism, History Ideology, Resistance. His book came in the aftermath of the January 6th insurrection in Washington DC and the spectre of rising authoritarian nationalism across the world. A year later, Paul found himself in Kyiv just 24 hours before Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, as 21st century fascism began to more literally imitate its 20th century forbear.

Since then, Paul has become an urgent advocate of the need to take this conflict seriously - for what it is - an existential threat to the post-Westphalian world order. I spoke to Paul about Fascism in its modern forms, about the need for Western countries to support Ukraine more forcefully and about the failure of some on the left to understand the threat. to Ukraine. It was a fascinating discussion, particularly as Paul is such a well-informed reader of history. His discussion takes a truly global vision and incredibly insightful, from Europe, to North America, to India. 

Paul Tweets at https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews. He mentioned a fascinating New York Times investigation which can be found here https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html 

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