The Bulwark Podcast

Ben Wittes and Brody Mullins: Code Red

May 15, 2024
Legal expert Ben Wittes and author Brody Mullins discuss Michael Cohen's testimony on Trump's hush money scheme. They also explore the decline of corporate lobbying power in Washington and its implications on politics.
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ANECDOTE

Trial Atmosphere

  • Trump's most loyal supporters, including family and political figures like Vivek Ramaswamy, attended his trial.
  • This changed the atmosphere, creating a spectacle.
ANECDOTE

Michael Cohen's Testimony

  • Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer, testified that Trump ordered hush money payments and their reimbursement.
  • Cohen's testimony is crucial, as it directly implicates Trump.
INSIGHT

Corroborating Evidence

  • Very little of Cohen's testimony lacks corroboration, except for conversations with Trump authorizing actions.
  • Weisselberg, another key witness, isn't testifying due to conflicting interests for both sides.
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