The Data Diva E152 - David Hendrawirawan and Debbie Reynolds
Oct 3, 2023
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David Hendrawirawan, Owner of Code Ninjas and Adjunct Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, discusses the challenges of educating people about data privacy issues in K-12. The lack of focus on Data Privacy in current curriculums is highlighted, along with the potential harm of not being informed about these issues. The complex legal and ethical issues surrounding data scraping are explored, emphasizing the need for limitations on consent. The challenges of teaching cybersecurity and coding in K-12 education are also discussed, along with the importance of diversity and inclusion in leadership and education.
The lack of focus on Data Privacy in current curriculums, particularly in K-12 education, highlights the need for comprehensive privacy education at all levels of education and society.
Integrating privacy education into the K-12 system faces challenges due to rapid developments in data and privacy, standardized test demands, limited resources, and resistance to collaboration with private businesses, but collaborative efforts can help bridge the gap and enhance privacy education.
Deep dives
David Hendry-Rong's Background and Motivation
David Hendry-Rong, owner of Cold Ninjas and an adjunct professor at the University of Texas at Austin, discusses his career journey from consultant to educator. After years of experience in cybersecurity, privacy, and data analytics, David shifted his focus to education, recognizing the vulnerability of the educational system to technology disruption. He now teaches courses on data governance, AI governance, and privacy preserving analytics while also acquiring a coding school for K-12 children. David highlights the importance of providing future generations with data literacy and privacy education.
The Importance of Data Literacy
David emphasizes the need for data literacy, particularly in the context of emerging technologies like artificial intelligence. While digital citizenship curricula have covered computer basics, coding, and cybersecurity, the domain of data privacy has been neglected. David explains that modern curricula often lack comprehensive teaching of data handling and privacy principles, both at the K-12 level and even in college computer science programs. He emphasizes the subtle privacy risks that arise from data sharing and the use of AI, highlighting the need to address not only cyber risks but also legal, ethical, and analytical dimensions of privacy.
Challenges in Promoting Privacy Education
David discusses the barriers and challenges faced in integrating privacy education into the K-12 system. He highlights the rapid pace of data and privacy developments, which often outpace curriculum development. Educational institutions are struggling to keep up with basic requirements, and subjects like privacy and data literacy are often deprioritized due to standardized test demands and limited resources. Moreover, the public education system's traditional non-profit structure and resistance to working with private businesses hinder progress. However, collaborative efforts between industry professionals, academia, and technology companies can help bridge the gap and enhance privacy education.
The Importance of Trust and Societal Values
David raises concerns about the erosion of trust in society and the impact of technology on interpersonal relationships. He notes that technology has created a sense of individualism, leading to a lack of unity and diminished trust. David highlights the need for leaders and educators to cultivate a sense of care, trust, and love in their roles, fostering connections and addressing societal challenges. He believes that progress in privacy, data literacy, and other crucial areas requires a foundation built on societal values and genuine concern for others.
On “The Data Diva” Talks Privacy Podcast, Debbie Reynolds talks to David Hendrawirawan, Owner of Code Ninjas, Adjunct Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, Data & AI Governance Research and Education. We discuss privacy education for future generations and the challenges of educating people about data privacy issues, particularly in K-12. We explore the potential harm of not being informed about Data Privacy issues and the need for data literacy at all levels of education and society. The lack of focus on Data Privacy in current curriculums was highlighted, and the challenges of incorporating these issues into K-12 education were discussed. The complex legal and ethical issues surrounding data scraping are explored, including the lack of strong laws and the broad use of consent. The need for limitations on what can be consented to, particularly in cases where it could potentially harm others, is emphasized. The challenges of teaching cybersecurity and coding in K-12 education is discussed. David explains that the traditional curriculum is not advanced enough in this area, and schools are struggling to keep up with basic expectations from State and Federal governments. The importance of diversity and inclusion in leadership and education is also discussed, with David sharing his experience of receiving a Diversity and Inclusion Amplifier award for his privacy and data governance class and his dream of creating a school that focuses on data literacy, AI literacy, and privacy literacy. The challenges of pursuing education and the importance of helping society are also highlighted, with David sharing his experiences of facing more rejections than acceptances in his field but remaining committed to his cause and hope for Data Privacy in the future.
(43 minutes) Audio and full transcript here: https://www.debbiereynoldsconsulting.com/podcast/e153-david-hendrawirawan
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