Carl Robichaud, co-leader of Longview Philanthropy’s nuclear weapons policy program, dives deep into the looming threat of nuclear war. He reflects on the morality of the bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and critiques the lessons learned from the Cuban Missile Crisis. The conversation touches on modern challenges like cyber vulnerabilities and escalating U.S.-China tensions, along with the role of private citizens in mitigating nuclear risks. Robichaud emphasizes the need for philanthropy in addressing these existential threats, blending urgency with hope.
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Oppenheimer Film Recommendation
Sam Harris recommends watching Oppenheimer in a theater for the full experience.
Carl Robichaud has seen it twice and praises its fidelity to the source material.
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Atomic Bombing Narrative
The narrative around the atomic bombings often portrays Truman's decision as a carefully weighed choice between bombing and invasion.
Declassified documents reveal this to be postwar propaganda; the plan involved both bombing and invasion.
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Nagasaki Bombing
The second atomic bomb, dropped on Nagasaki, wasn't a strategic decision but a hasty action taken while Japan was still processing Hiroshima.
Truman's awareness of the impending Soviet entry into the war adds another layer to the decision.
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Hiroshima
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Sam Harris speaks with Carl Robichaud about the ongoing threat of nuclear war. They discuss the film "Oppenheimer," the ethics of dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the false lessons of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the history and future of nuclear proliferation, the logic of deterrence, cyber vulnerabilities, the history of de-escalation, the war in Ukraine, war games, the nuclear taboo, growing tensions between the U.S. and China, artificial intelligence, getting to nuclear zero, the role for private citizens in mitigating nuclear risk, the Longview Nuclear Risk Policy Fund (https://www.longview.org/fund/nuclear-weapons-policy-fund/), and other topics.
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