People are panicking about the literacy crisis, about waning attention spans and why technology is making everything worse. But some people — like writer, software designer, and literary critic Celine Nguyen — have managed to not only retain their engagement with art and culture and literature, but actually deepen it with the help of the internet and social media.

Today we chat about:[00:00:00] Jumping from Silicon Valley to the art world[00:11:00] The internet and “research as leisure activity”[00:26:34] Contrarian optimism about AI and art[00:48:57] How can we measure progress in culture?[01:04:47] Celine’s personal tech/media habitsFollow Celine's work at personalcanon.com and Jasmine at jasmi.news.

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