"I'm not religious, I'm spiritual!" What does this mean exactly? Is the distinction real or a result of a personal experience? Imam Jamaal Diwan, co-founder, and instructor at 'The Majlis' in Orange California joins me to discuss these questions and the heart as an organ of perception in Islam. Sponsor this Podcast https://www.patreon.com/coffeewithkarim The Majlis Web https://www.themajlis.us/ HeartMath Institute https://www.heartmath.org/science/ https://www.heartmath.org/resources/videos/