Anecdote in Science: The 224th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying
May 8, 2024
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Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying discuss animal behavior, including orangutans using medicinal plants, cats safeguarding toddlers, and beluga whales returning phones. They delve into dog domestication from wolves, COVID vaccine safety monitoring, and critique vaccine mandates. The conversation also touches on the value of anecdotal observations in scientific research.
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Observation of animal self-medication suggests shared knowledge of medicinal properties between humans and orangutans.
Behavioral flexibility and observational learning play a role in animals' ability to self-medicate and treat wounds.
Exploring self-medication behaviors in great apes raises questions about the evolutionary origins of healing practices.
Viral videos highlight animals' empathy and protective instincts towards humans, shedding light on their emotional understanding.
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The Use of Home Remedies Among Orangutans
Orangutans have been observed using plants for self-medication by applying them to wounds, potentially reducing pain, preventing inflammation, and accelerating wound healing. Traditional healers in Indonesia have used similar plants for treating internal illnesses, suggesting a shared knowledge of medicinal properties among humans and orangutans.
Behavioral Flexibility and Learning Across Species
The ability of orangutans to self-medicate and the likelihood of independent discovery of this behavior suggest high levels of behavioral flexibility and learning across species. Observations of captive monkeys using similar topical treatments hint at the potential for observational learning influencing self-medication behaviors.
Evolutionary Perspectives on Self-Medication
The possible shared ancestry of self-medication behaviors among great apes raises questions about the evolutionary origins of wound medication. The discovery of similar behaviors in African and Asian great apes points to a common mechanism for recognizing and applying substances with medicinal properties, potentially inherited from a shared common ancestor.
Comparative Insights from Animal Behavior
Exploring behaviors like self-medication among primates and other animals sheds light on the importance of olfaction and problem-solving strategies in hunting and survival. The use of home remedies by orangutans and observable behaviors like foxes grooming or fox burrows highlight the vast spectrum of adaptive behaviors in the animal kingdom.
Beluga Whale Returning Cell Phone
A beluga whale was captured on video apparently returning a dropped cell phone to a person who had lost it off a boat. This intriguing behavior raised questions about the intelligence and intentions of the whale in interacting with humans in their habitat. The incident sparked discussions on the possible motivations behind the whale's actions and highlighted the complex and surprising behaviors of marine mammals.
Animal Compassion Displayed in Videos
Various viral videos depicting animals, such as a cat preventing a baby from falling down the stairs and a dog protecting a boy from another dog, have fueled discussions on animal empathy and instinctual behaviors. These videos showcase instances where animals demonstrate caring and protective responses towards humans, raising questions about the depth of understanding animals may have of human emotions and intentions.
Critique of Media Reporting on Vaccine Injuries
An analysis of a media article critiqued the way vaccine injuries, particularly related to COVID-19 vaccines, were portrayed, highlighting discrepancies in reporting. The article revealed concerns about downplaying vaccine side effects and the lack of acknowledgment of individuals who experienced adverse reactions. This critique emphasized the need for transparent and accurate reporting on vaccine safety and adverse events, questioning the narrative surrounding vaccine injury statistics and the level of monitoring conducted.
In this 224th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.
In this episode, we discuss animal behavior: the implications of an orangutan using a medicinal plant to treat a wound, and the one-off videos that we’ve all seen—of cats preventing toddlers from falling, of a beluga whale retrieving a woman’s phone. What does this say about the minds of these other organisms, and about us? Also: dog domestication, from wolves, but not from foxes. And: the New York Times publishes more insipid garbage about vaccine injury, Bret returns to the question of what safety means, and The Nation turns its back on its muckraking roots.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Laumer et al 2024. Active self-treatment of a facial wound with a biologically active plant by a male Sumatran orangutan. Scientific Reports, 14(1), p.8932. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-58988-7
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Thousands Believe Covid Vaccines Harmed Them. Is Anyone Listening? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html
Chris Martenson on the NYT: https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1787602191114526836
Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec