Jadie Miller is a veteran Canadian firefighter and the founder of Pyroc. Dr Christopher Frueh is a Clinical Psychologist, co-founder of Pyroc and the man who created the diagnosis "Operator Syndrome". We discuss Jadie's traumatic childhood, being homeless at 8 years old, her journey into the fire service, Chris' journey into psychology, the holistic approach to mental ill health, "Firefighter Syndrome", sleep deprivation and much more.