The Athletic's James Pearce and Caoimhe O'Neill join Steve Hothersall to reflect on Liverpool's defeat to Nottingham Forest. Injuries, the absence of Thiago Alcântara and Fabinho's drop in form all come under the spotlight while there's a preview of the Champions League match with Ajax. Plus there's a report on Calvin Ramsay's first start for the Under-21s, as well as reaction to Reds legend Steven Gerrard losing his job as Aston Villa manager.

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