After years of working to reform Congress, my next guest can look back at some real accomplishments. And work still to be done. Representative Derek Kilmer of Washington, spearheaded the Select Committee on the Modernization of Congress which became the House Administration Subcommittee on Modernization. Now he's retiring from Congress. Derek Kilmer joins me now.

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