In this episode, Steve Durbin speaks with commentator and policy analyst Michele Wucker, author of The Gray Rhino: How To Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore and You Are What You Risk: The New Art and Science of Navigating an Uncertain World. Steve and Michele discuss individual and collective risk appetite, the concept of a risk ecosystem, and how to build a culture and team that can balance your organization’s risk appropriately.