In February this year, we took The Great Humbling into a new format, a live conversation on stage at Norwich Arts Centre as part of the UK tour that Dougald made to launch his book, At Work in the Ruins. It's taken us rather a long time to get the recording edited, but here it is at last.

For this live show, Ed and Dougald were joined by two special guests.

Charlotte Du Cann is a writer, editor, teacher and lover of all things rooted in Earth and sky. She works as co-director of the Dark Mountain Project and is the author of After Ithaca and 52 Flowers That Shook My World. She has just launched her Substack, The Red Tent, 'a metaphysical practice for collapsing times', in which she writes to pass on the tools that have served her over the past thirty years.

Rupert Read is a philosopher and climate activist. This summer, he left his role as a professor at the University of East Anglia, after 26 years, to dedicate himself to his work as co-director of the Climate Majority Project. He is the author of many books, including Why Climate Breakdown Matters and Do You Want to Know the Truth? The Surprising Rewards of Climate Honesty.

We'll be back in a few weeks' time with the first episode of our fifth season.