On Skepticism: Michael Shermer & Jeremy Rys on DarkHorse
Sep 3, 2023
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Michael Shermer, Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine, and Jeremy Rys discuss skepticism, UAPs, invisibility technology, conspiracy theories, and the deaths of influential figures. They touch on the need for extraordinary evidence for extraterrestrial life, credibility of UAPs, laser-induced plasmas, big pharma deception, hidden files of Roswell, evaluating likelihood of conspiracy theories, RFK Jr.'s claims, mind control experiments, and inconsistencies of 9/11 phone calls.
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Quick takeaways
The lack of transparency and historical context surrounding the JFK assassination fuel skepticism.
Randomness and human error can play a role in major events, leading to conspiracy speculation.
Evaluating evidence, being aware of cognitive biases, and maintaining skepticism are essential in assessing conspiracy theories.
The importance of not dismissing anomalies in complex events and investigating connections between individuals and organizations.
Questioning official narratives and considering alternative explanations is crucial to understanding major historical events.
Deep dives
Oswald acted alone
Oswald was the lone gunman in the JFK and RFK assassinations. There isn't enough evidence to support any other specific person's involvement. Claims of a conspiracy lack a convergence of evidence and are based on anomalies and speculation.
Multiple shooters and CIA involvement
There is evidence to suggest multiple shooters and CIA involvement in the JFK assassination. This includes Oswald's ties to the CIA and FBI, anomalies in the investigation, and suspicious deaths of witnesses. The lack of transparency and historical context surrounding the events fuel skepticism.
Oswald's involvement and randomness
Evidence points to Oswald acting alone and taking the fall for the Kennedy assassination. Anomalies and connections to the CIA and FBI are not sufficient to prove a conspiracy. Randomness and human error play a role in events, while retrospective bias can lead to conspiracy speculation.
The challenge of assessing conspiracy theories
Conspiracy theories require a convergence of evidence to support a specific hypothesis. Anomalies and suspicious elements can be found in any major event, but they don't necessarily prove a conspiracy. Evaluating evidence, being aware of cognitive biases, and maintaining skepticism are essential in assessing conspiracy theories.
Anomalies and Conspiracies
The podcast discusses the concept of anomalies in complex events like assassinations and how they can be indicative of a conspiracy. It highlights the importance of not jumping to conclusions based on a few anomalies, but also emphasizes that when there are too many anomalies, it becomes equally important not to dismiss them. The example of the umbrella man in JFK's assassination is provided as an anomaly that initially seemed suspicious but had a mundane explanation. It explores the balance between skepticism and acknowledging patterns of inconsistencies in official narratives.
Connections and Suspicion
The podcast delves into the connections between various individuals and organizations that raise suspicion about the official narratives. It mentions figures like Louis Steven Witt, the umbrella man, who had a protest motive in JFK's assassination, and Abraham Bolden, the first black Secret Service security guard who exposed a potential plot. It also references connections between mafia figures, anti-Kennedy groups, and oil interests. The podcast emphasizes the need to investigate these connections and consider the potential involvement of multiple actors in complex events.
Contradictions and Unanswered Questions
The podcast addresses specific contradictions and unanswered questions related to the JFK assassination and 9/11. It mentions anomalies like missing or manipulated evidence, suspicious connections between individuals involved, and the issue of phone calls made from the planes on 9/11. It raises concerns about inadequate investigations and suggests that a deeper examination of these contradictions is needed. It also highlights the importance of questioning official narratives and considering alternative explanations that may challenge conventional wisdom.
Anomalies and inconsistencies in major historical events
The podcast episode explores various anomalies and inconsistencies present in major historical events like the assassination of JFK, RFK, MLK, and the 9/11 attacks. The speakers discuss how these anomalies defy rational explanations and fuel conspiracy theories. They emphasize the need for analytical consistency, tracking thresholds of evidence, and challenging the dismissal of conspiracy theories as baseless without thorough examination.
Capitalizing on events and questioning official narratives
The speakers discuss the concept of capitalizing on significant events, like 9/11, to further political agendas or push hidden motives. They question the official narratives surrounding these events and highlight anomalies and evidence that suggest alternative explanations. The discussion also delves into the role of intelligence agencies, the influence of insurance companies, and the obfuscation of evidence in shaping public understanding of these events.
Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine, the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show, and a Presidential Fellow at Chapman University where he teaches Skepticism 101. For 18 years he was a monthly columnist for Scientific American. He writes a weekly Substack column. He is the author of New York Times bestsellers Why People Believe Weird Things and The Believing Brain, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, The Moral Arc, Heavens on Earth, and Giving the Devil His Due: Reflections of a Scientific Humanist.
Jeremy Rys has a B.S. degree in Physics from Bridgewater State University and is a co-founder of APEC the Alternative Propulsion Engineering Conference an academic think tank of scientists, engineers, and inventors who explore the potentials of new physics and technologies including metamaterials, warp drives, ion thrusters, laser induced plasmas, invisibility cloaks, and other "Alien" technologies. - He is also an avid researcher of alternative history and the history behind classified programs and covert operations. He also enjoys researching scientific controversies and conspiracy theories.
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