The Katie Miller Podcast Elon Musk on DOGE, AI, & Are we in a Simulation? | KMP Ep.18
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Dec 9, 2025 
Elon Musk, the visionary CEO behind SpaceX and Tesla, dives deep into a variety of captivating topics. He shares the quirky origins of Dogecoin and touches on reforming wasteful government payments. Discussing AI, he paints a picture of a future where work is optional, while expressing genuine concerns about its rapid advancements. Musk explores simulation theory and debates whether we might be in one. He reflects on life’s big questions, shares his daily routine, and preps for a dream dinner with literary and scientific legends.
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Creating "D.O.G." To Cut Wasteful Spending
- Elon Musk recounts creating "D.O.G." from an internet suggestion and forming the Department of Government Efficiency.
- He says the role stopped wasteful payments and faced strong political backlash when cutting flows of money.
Government Should Minimize Spending
- Elon Musk argues the government should do as little as possible and criticizes large transfer payments to recent immigrants.
- He links such payments to rapid demographic and voting shifts he characterizes as "voter importation."
AI Could Make Work Optional
- Musk predicts AI and robotics will be capable of providing all goods and services people want, making work optional.
- He separates his prediction from his preference, saying he would like to slow AI but cannot.