Fredrik talks to Jon Sterling about user interfaces old and new. Jon has created Aquaui - a Mac user interface library which is a small love letter to the Aqua user interface style for Mac OS X. Based on that, we discuss understandable and consistent user interfaces, how there seems to be little evolution and improvement, wish for brave new ideas, and a lot more.

Oh, and we also discuss living with old technology, like a seventh-generation Ipod. Plus liability laundering and the problems of building the whole house of out fire alarms.

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• Jon
• Cambridge
• Clare college
• Aquaui - Jon’s library
• Aqua - the user interface design language
• Steve Jobs introducing Aqua
• The dock
• Windows XP
• Windows 98
• Iphone 4
• IOS 6
• IOS 7 - the great flattening of everything
• Apple’s old human interface guidelines
• Accidental tech podcast
• The purple button for single-window mode in the Mac OS X beta - scroll down or search for “purple”
• Stage manager
• Lion
• Infinite Mac - the website where you can run old Mac operating systems
• The spatial Finder - and why the modern Finder isn’t
• Support Kodsnack on Ko-fi
• Elementary OS - and their interface design guide
• GTK
• A post about the original dock
• Discussion about Mica - Apple internal design tool
• Core animation
• Webkit
• Blink
• WKWebview
• Appkit
• NSScrollview
• NSScroller
• 12-inch Powerbook
• Seventh-generation Ipod
• Itunes
• Intel Imac
• Tiger
• Tenfourfox- browser for old versions of Mac OS X
• Charles proxy
• jonmstirling.com
• Jon on Mastodon

• A love letter
• A very different era
• Beautiful blue liquid
• The great flattening of everything
• Unbelievable user interface regression
• I feel powerless today when I’m using my computer
• They did mess up the photo app
• Like a pill
• A long-lasting Ibuprofen
• That upper-right corner
• Bigger than my wingspan
• Beautiful, unsullied whitespace
• During the decline of Mac OS
• Time to be a bit bold
• A passable gradient
• Start from a point of inspiration
• Too much for the old hardware
• The Aqua fire alarm
• SSL fire alarms