Donald Trump or Kamala Harris? Well, what about Chase Oliver? He’s the Libertarian presidential candidate with some pretty interesting ideas. Thoughts you won’t hear from either major-party candidate.

Oliver believes in “the most local governance, which is self-governance.” He wants government to stay out of our lives. He plans to privatize welfare, end social security, cut federal spending, and much more! In this podcast, originally recorded on June 12th, he tells me his vision for America.