Episode 2282: Adam Kirsch on the nonsense of "Settler Colonialism"
Dec 24, 2024
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Adam Kirsch, a published poet and cultural critic, delves into the complexities of settler colonialism in his latest work. He discusses how simplistic narratives fail to capture the intricacies of American and Israeli histories. Kirsch emphasizes the importance of nuanced language, particularly in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He critiques the effect of modern discourse on historical understanding and advocates for thoughtful dialogue that transcends polarizing rhetoric. The episode also touches on how boycotts can undermine literary engagement.
Adam Kirsch argues that labeling America and Israel as 'settler colonial' twins oversimplifies complex historical narratives and ignores critical distinctions.
The podcast highlights the dangers of framing conflicts exclusively through the lens of settler colonialism, advocating for nuanced dialogue over moral binaries.
Deep dives
The Rise of 'Shittification' in Language
The concept of 'shittification' highlights the degradation of language and the products associated with the Internet. This term, alongside others like 'brain rot' and 'social battery,' reflects a growing concern about the deterioration of communication quality in modern society. Language evolves continuously, with each generation often expressing dissatisfaction with its predecessors, yet in today's digital age, this decline seems particularly pronounced. The speaker suggests that the proliferation of superficial interactions online contributes significantly to this phenomenon, leading to less meaningful discourse.
Understanding Settler Colonialism
Settler colonialism is examined as a complex and often misinterpreted concept that has gained traction in contemporary political discourse. The term traditionally refers to societies formed through the settlement of European colonists who displaced indigenous populations, a history deeply rooted in the United States and other countries. The podcast discusses how recent events, particularly the October 7th attack by Hamas, have caused many to interpret acts of violence as forms of resistance against settler colonial states, thereby normalizing the terminology within real-world politics. This shift signifies a departure from academic circles, thrusting the term into broader social consciousness and debate.
The Role of Language in Self-Reflection and Accountability
The dialogue touches on the notion of guilt and self-examination inherent in the narrative of settler colonialism, suggesting that individuals are encouraged to scrutinize their identities as settlers. This practice parallels the moral introspection emphasized in Protestantism, where acknowledgment of one's flaws or sins is seen as a pathway to redemption. Consequently, some people symbolically adopt the identity of a settler, which can inadvertently foster a sense of moral superiority over those who do not recognize their complicity. This phenomenon raises questions about the effectiveness of guilt as a motivator for genuine change versus its potential to create divisions in the discourse surrounding social justice.
The Consequences of Ideological Framing
The podcast examines the idea that understanding conflicts, like those in the Middle East, solely through the lens of settler colonialism can lead to destructive consequences, including fostering anti-Zionism. This framing positions Israel as an illegitimate state, which, while providing a clear narrative for critique, neglects the complexities of human agency and the historical context of the region. The discussion also warns against the dangers of a binary view that divides individuals into moral categories of 'good' and 'evil,' rather than encouraging nuanced dialogue aimed at conflict resolution. Ultimately, the conversation advocates for a more comprehensive perspective that acknowledges both historical injustices and potential paths towards coexistence.
As both a much published poet and cultural critic, Adam Kirsch brings an etymological sensibility to the great issues of our day. In his new book, On Settler Colonialism, Kirsch excavates the nonsense now taken for granted by many academics about the supposedly twin intrinsic evils of American and Israeli history. Unlike the European colonialists in America, Kirsch reminds us, Jewish settlers in Palestine didn’t wipe out the “indigenous” peoples of the region. While that doesn’t necessarily excuse the violence of the Zionist state, Kirsch acknowledges, it does remind us that packaging America and Israel as the evil “settler colonial” twins of world history is both childishly simplistic and wrong. Words matter in politics, Kirsch reminds us. Particularly in a conflict as irresolvable as the Palestine/Israel tragedy.
Adam Kirsch is the author of several books of poetry and criticism. A 2016 Guggenheim Fellow, Kirsch is an editor at the Wall Street Journal’s Weekend Review section and has written for publications including The New Yorker and Tablet. He lives in New York.
Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.
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