Part Of The Problem Horton Destroys Wurmser
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Dec 24, 2025 
Scott Horton, a Libertarian foreign-policy analyst and antiwar advocate, joins to discuss David Wurmser's insights on Israel's ties with America. They explore the Clean Break Memo and its neoconservative implications, delving into the controversial roles of figures like Chalabi. Horton and Smith critique Wurmser's defense of Israel, challenge neocon narratives about Iraq, and reflect on the tragic human costs of war. The conversation culminates in a call for Wurmser to engage in a debate, highlighting deep ideological divides and the lingering consequences of interventionist policies.
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War As The Central Libertarian Issue
- War is the central question of libertarianism because it creates emergency powers that expand the state.
- Dave Smith and Scott Horton argue opposition to war is both moral and foundational to limiting government power.
Conversion Through Hortonian Antiwar Thought
- Dave recounts becoming a libertarian and discovering Scott Horton as a key influence on his antiwar views.
- He frames their shared history as shaping their long-term opposition to neoconservatism.
Wurmser's Clean Break Influence
- David Wurmser authored the Clean Break and influenced neoconservative policy toward the Middle East.
- Smith and Horton view Wurmser's ideas as central to the faction that pushed for the Iraq War.