Two huge union stories have dominated local news this year. Whether you picketed with the PC ski patrollers or protested Utah’s anti-union bill, the energy around organized labor is palpable. But it hasn’t always been that way. University of Utah labor historian Matt Basso joins host Ali Vallarta to explain the ebb and flow of union popularity through the years and what he thinks the future holds for workplaces.

Required listening: Hear what an SLC firefighter has to say about the union bill.

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