Former CIA Moscow chief Rolf Mowatt-Larssen discusses the 'Russian mindset' and its influence on Putin's actions in Ukraine. Topics include preparing children for dangers, significance of puppet shows, lack of peace in Russia, and reasons for pessimism in the war in Ukraine.
Russian fairy tales prepare children for life's dangers and hardships, reflecting the 'Russian mindset'.
Humor and satire, such as in the circus and ballet, offer glimpses into Russian perspectives and dissent.
Deep dives
Russian Mindset: Anecdotes and Insights
In this Intelligence Matters podcast episode, Ralph Moet-Larsen, a former career CIA officer, shares anecdotes that offer insights into the Russian mindset. One memorable anecdote involves a puppet show in Moscow where the children are taught to be prepared for the worst things in life. This reflects the Russian tradition of using fairy tales to prepare children for life's dangers and hardships. Another anecdote highlights the resolute nature of the Russian people, as seen in a 150-year-old lacquer box depicting Napoleon's defeat in Russia. The box reminds us of the Russians' determination to defend their homeland at any cost. A Newsweek article written by a former Putin speechwriter sheds light on Putin's values and motivations, emphasizing the need to understand how he sees himself as a leader. The episode concludes with the importance of understanding the false moral equivalencies that circulate in discussions on Russia, Ukraine, and other conflicts, and the need for a clear U.S. strategic purpose in supporting Ukraine. Ultimately, the war in Ukraine is seen as a stagnating conflict without a clear path to resolution.
Russian Mindset and Satire: Circus and Ballet Performances
In this podcast episode, Ralph Moet-Larsen discusses the role of humor and satire as a window into the Russian mindset. He highlights how attending the circus and ballet in Russia can provide insights into the country's political climate. The circus, known for its biting political satire, offers a unique opportunity to observe how Russians express their perspectives on societal issues. Similarly, a ballet performance at the Bolshoi Theatre, where the audience cheered and applauded when the Rat King character appeared, symbolizes the audience's identification of the Rat King with Vladimir Putin. This anecdote shows the use of political satire to express dissenting opinions and sentiments within Russia, even in the face of potential consequences. Such instances provide valuable glimpses into the Russian people's perspectives and how they perceive their leaders.
Assessing Pessimism in the War in Ukraine
In this episode of Intelligence Matters, Ralph Moet-Larsen expresses pessimism about the ongoing war in Ukraine. He points out two main reasons for his gloomy outlook. Firstly, he highlights the lack of a clear U.S. strategic purpose in supporting Ukraine, which has led to a lack of policy clarity and inconsistency in providing aid. This absence of a moral purpose and unified approach weakens Ukraine's position against Russian aggression. Secondly, Moet-Larsen emphasizes the numerical disadvantage faced by both sides in the conflict. Neither Ukraine nor Russia possesses enough resources to gain a decisive advantage, resulting in a prolonged war without a clear pathway to resolution or equitable terms. He concludes that strategic shifts and a deeper understanding of the Russian mindset are necessary to bring about a potential solution.
Super Bowl Predictions
To end the podcast on a lighter note, Michael Morell and Ralph Moet-Larsen share their predictions for the upcoming Super Bowl. Both express confidence in the Kansas City Chiefs, citing the exceptional skills of their quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, as a determining factor in their potential victory over the San Francisco 49ers. While acknowledging the talent and strength of both teams, they ultimately lean towards the Chiefs emerging victorious in a close game.
Michael talks about the 'Russian mindset' with former CIA Moscow chief Rolf Mowatt-Larssen. He explains how his experience in the former Soviet Union could offer a glimpse into how Russia views its war on Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin's nuclear threats, and the adversity Russians have faced over the decades.
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