Moonshots with Peter Diamandis Mustafa Suleyman: The AGI Race Is Fake, Building Safe Superintelligence & the $1M Agentic Economy | EP #216
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Dec 16, 2025 
Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder of DeepMind and CEO of Microsoft AI, dives into the future of artificial intelligence. He challenges the notion of an AGI race and shares insights on Microsoft's shift to conversational agents. The discussion covers critical topics like AI safety, the economic impact of agents, and the importance of trust and transparency in AI deployment. Suleyman emphasizes balancing innovation with safety strategies and the role of AI in enhancing scientific discovery and public sector productivity. His humanist perspective urges a cautious approach to AI development.
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Agents Replace Traditional UIs
- The computing paradigm is shifting from operating systems and apps to persistent agentic companions that hold user context.
- Mustafa says these agents will subsume traditional UIs and act like 24/7 assistants that perform complex tasks.
Modern Turing Test: Economic Benchmark
- Mustafa proposed the 'modern Turing test': can an agent turn $100k into $1M as an economic benchmark for autonomy.
- He argues dollars-and-cents performance is a practical measure of agent capability in the economy.
From Data-Center Cooling To Breakthroughs
- Mustafa recounts DeepMind tuning Google data-center cooling and cutting costs by 40% as an early success.
- He uses that story to show general-purpose methods applied to novel modalities proved transformative later.