Best of Panic: Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory on Rational Optimism and Countering a Coordinated Attack in Narrative on the United States (EP.267) This Episode was 1st published on May 4th, 2023

Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory is back on Panic for a record-breaking sixth time! He may be the smartest guy I know, which is why I keep having him on. He’s just an explainer – the way he explains things very easily – and I like complex things explained simply. Ben is a former Professor, a beekeeper, and a market lover. He’s the co-founder and CIO of Epsilon Theory, where he writes outstanding essays about narratives in the market – backed up by data. I wanted to catch up with him to weigh in on my themes for the next 10 years in an America that’s becoming what I call the Rich, Angry, Degenerate economy. There are a lot of narratives to talk about; Ben was unfortunately right on the one that was inflation. And we get into the latest narrative around the U.S. dollar. You’re really going to learn a lot. Enjoy! 

Guest - Ben Hunt, Co-Founder and Partner at Second Foundation Partners, Author and Co-Founder at Epsilon Theory 

howardlindzon.com, epsilontheory.com 

Twitter: @howardlindzon, @epsilontheory, @PanicwFriends, @knutjensen 

linkedin.com/in/bhunt 

#fintech #invest #investment #venturecapital #stockmarket #finance 

Time Stamps: 

• Intro (00:42)
• Welcome back Ben (07:05)
• Gold as a metaphor for the economy (08:32)
• GFC was different (09:49)
• “Fiat” news (10:50)
• Rational optimism (14:24)
• The Peter Thiel Industrial Complex (18:19)
• Rich Man, Angry Man, Degenerate Man Economy (23:07)
• We’re treated as a cog in a powerful machine (27:09)
• The inflation narrative (27:59)
• The de-dollarization narrative (31:06)
• Who’s Chamath? (35:36)
• Internet trolls (37:37)
• Generative AI (38:30)
• Astroturf campaigns (40:25)
• Why ‘they’ create chaos (41:27)
• Ruthless pursuit of creativity (43:37)
• European companies (45:59)
• Time to get back to work (47:04)
• Intersection of narratives and markets (48:38)
• Wrapping up (52:08)
• Outro (53:16)