You Can’t Nail Skills Without Tasks | Marc Ramos & Jeroen Van Hautte (TechWolf) on Redefining Work With Task Intelligence

In this episode of The TechWolf Podcast, Marc Ramos, industry learning leader with Google, Novartis, Microsoft, Cornerstone, and EdTech advisor to leading HR tech companies, joins TechWolf CTO Jeroen Van Hautte to explore the emerging frontier of task-based intelligence.

Live from New York, we unpack how tasks are reshaping the future of work, why task data may be even more actionable than skills, and how AI is accelerating both.

From change management to job architecture to AI’s role in redefining value, this is a masterclass in what’s next for skills strategies.

[00:08] — Welcome and guest intros: Marc Ramos & Jeroen Van Hautte
[01:44] — How to navigate change in skills strategy: Marc’s reflections from Novartis
[07:24] — What is task-based intelligence and why is it emerging now?
[11:25] — Skills → Tasks → Outcomes: A framework for linking strategy to execution
[13:40] — Is this a new initiative or part of the skills-based journey?
[16:56] — Why tasks help define work better than job titles
[18:28] — TechWolf’s internal case study: Automating tasks and shifting skill needs
[21:41] — Re-skilling & internal mobility: Tasks bring clarity to re-skilling paths
[23:28] — How tasks reduce resistance to change & align skills to business goals
[28:40] — How AI helps map tasks and extract intelligence from work data
[30:07] — Sales example: Tasks over skills when validating pipeline success
[33:17] — Proficiency: Replacing subjective ratings with task completion evidence
[35:14] — Marc: “I hope proficiencies go away” — and what replaces them
[43:38] — Who owns task data? IT vs HR vs Infrastructure
[49:48] — Task intelligence leaders: Entropic, Novartis, and the rise of TOS (Task Operating System)
[53:47] — Prediction: Skills or tasks—what drives value in 2030?
[58:42] — Gig economy and task-driven value: where the future might go
[1:00:08] — Where Marc & Jeroen go to learn about AI, skills, and task data
[1:03:24] — Marc’s question for the next guest: What cultural attributes drive your skills strategy?