In this conversation, Dr. Richard Mouw discusses the relationship between Christians and their country. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the distinction between country, state, and church. Drawing from biblical examples, such as the people of Israel in Babylon and the early Christians in the Roman Empire, Dr. Mouw highlights the call for Christians to seek the welfare and shalom of the city or nation they are in. He also explores the concept of patriotism and argues that Christians can love their country while also recognizing its flaws and the need for improvement. The conversation touches on topics such as the role of debate in a polarized society, the balance between love of country and love of neighbor, and the global perspective of being citizens of the world.

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