Three years of bad takes, with Andy Liu

Hello from the vault! 

In the first of a series of episodes commemorating TTSG’s third anniversary, OG Andy Liu returns. 🎉

We look back at the first episode we ever released, on April 13, 2020, and ask: 

(9:30) Was Andy right to attribute both the spread of the coronavirus and the backlash against Asian Americans to China’s growing power? 

(34:30) Has COVID diminished the concept of U.S. exceptionalism—if not within the U.S., at least in the rest of the world? 

(56:30) Is it possible for leftists to embrace national industrial policy without replicating the same kinds of neoliberalism that led us here?  

For more, see: 

* That fateful first episode, Pangolin Panic and Why the West Said "No" to Masks 

* Our episode analyzing Dan Wang’s U.S.–China 2020 newsletter, plus his 2022 assessment 

* Commentary on recent China-related legislation and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan’s speech, outlining a new Washington consensus

A couple big TTSG announcements! First, we’ll be having a subscriber picnic on June 10th in NYC to celebrate our anniversary and Jay’s “American Son” premiere (movie tix here!). Subscribe on Patreon or Substack for more details. 

Next, we’re finally releasing TTSG MERCH, starting with a PMC staple: a TTSG tote! When you place your order, you can either get it shipped to you directly or "Ship to TTSG." Please only select the latter option if you plan to attend the NYC picnic on June 10th! (Apologies to all non-locals.) Buy one (or two or three) to rep the pod, and share the link with friends & family! 

As always, keep in touch via Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter, and email us at timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com. 

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