In part 2 of my interview with essayist Jodie Noel Vinson, we talk about the squishier side of doing creative work, including:

- How no one wants to claim the term “writer”, and what Jodie has to say about that.

- How turning 30 was a bigger deal for Jodie than turning 40 (which she recently did)

- Why Jodie reads Proust over and and over, and it’s not snobby

- A heartfelt rant on how we talk and think about health as a society

- Gleaning insights from difficult experiences, and keeping the insights long after the experience is through

For full show notes with links to everything we discuss, plus bonus photos!, visit katehanley.substack.com.

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