

2503 - Has Israel Already Lost?; Trump’s South Africa Obsession w/ David Hearst, Benjamin Fogel
May 22, 2025
David Hearst, co-founder and editor in chief of Middle East Eye, dives into the evolving dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arguing that Israel may have already lost the ideological battle despite its military strength. Meanwhile, Benjamin Fogel, a South African journalist, shares insights on Donald Trump's bizarre diplomatic interactions with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. They also discuss the shifting international sentiment toward Israel and the complexities of South Africa’s political landscape and governance challenges.
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Israel's Pyrrhic Victories
- Israel wins every battle due to technological superiority but loses the overall war due to the enduring Palestinian resistance spirit.
- International opinion is increasingly turning against Israel, signaling diplomatic isolation ahead.
Oslo's Legacy and Collapse
- The Oslo process enabled a massive expansion of West Bank settlements, betraying Palestinian hopes for a state.
- Current Israeli leadership unitedly opposes the birth of a Palestinian state, ending two-state solution prospects.
Rethinking Israel Support
- U.S. foreign policy failures have enabled Israel’s ongoing actions in Gaza with limited repercussions.
- Western liberals must rethink unconditional support of Israel as it pursues apartheid and ethnic cleansing.