Hedonism, Materialism, and Conspicuous Consumption: What Is Orthodoxy's Upper Limit? With Rabbi Jeremy Wieder (171)
Aug 7, 2023
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Guest: Rabbi Jeremy Wieder, discusses orthodoxy's upper limit and the Orthodox community's obsession with materialism. Interesting topics include: materialism's violation of Torah, hedonism's impact on spiritual growth, high yeshiva tuition, unethical business schemes in Orthodox communities, lessons from Covid, and the importance of discussing materialism.
The emphasis should be on prioritizing spiritual growth over materialistic desires.
The influence of secular culture on Orthodox communities has led to a culture of materialism and conspicuous consumption.
The high cost of living and societal pressures can lead to the prevalence of unethical business practices within certain Orthodox communities.
Deep dives
The Emphasis on Materialism and Spirituality
The podcast episode explores the idea that the question is not whether we are spiritual or materialistic, but rather a question of emphasis and aspiration. It emphasizes that one can be both a materialistic and a spiritual person, depending on how it is played out. The discussion highlights the importance of placing a greater emphasis on the spiritual side rather than the material side, while still acknowledging the importance of taking care of physical needs.
The Influence of Secular Society on Materialism
The episode delves into the concept of materialism in the context of secular society, where there is often no value placed on restraint in consumption and pleasure-seeking. It discusses how the lack of spiritual ideals in the secular culture has permeated into Orthodox communities, leading to a culture of materialism and conspicuous consumption. The discussion raises the question of whether Orthodox individuals truly understand the concept of holiness and sanctity, as the secular mindset places no limits on hedonism and materialism as long as it doesn't harm others.
The Connection between High Costs of Living and Unethical Business Practices
The episode touches upon the connection between the high cost of living and the prevalence of unethical business practices, including Ponzi schemes and other fraudulent activities, within certain Orthodox communities. It explores the pressures individuals face to earn more money, which can lead to engaging in these practices. The discussion also highlights the need for the community to address the issue by emphasizing ethical conduct and acknowledging that financial crimes and unethical practices are as significant as violations of religious rituals.
The Negative Impact of Money
Money can have negative effects on people's lives, especially when there is an excessive amount. While not having enough money can be stressful, having too much can also be detrimental, especially for future generations. The desire to secure financial stability for one's children and grandchildren is understandable, but often money is not used in a way that promotes productivity and positivity. Excessive wealth can lead to a lack of trust in God and a focus on materialistic desires, creating societal expectations that put pressure on individuals to maintain a certain lifestyle.
Materialism and High Expectations
Materialism and high societal expectations contribute to the problem of excessive spending. People often feel the need to keep up with expensive trends, such as luxurious vacations, lavish celebrations, and expensive clothing. These high standards can lead to financial strain and the perception that a certain level of wealth and luxury is necessary to fit into the community. Additionally, the high cost of Orthodox lifestyle, including Yeshiva tuition and other religious commitments, creates a financial burden and pressure on individuals to earn more money. While it may seem challenging to change these societal norms, there is value in discussing and raising awareness about the negative impact of materialism.
In Episode 99, entitled "The Orthodox Community's Obsession with Materialism," Scott spoke with Rabbi Jeremy Wieder about lavish weddings, luxurious vacations, over-the-top camp programs, and more. But unfortunately, the topic wasn't exhausted; the problem is still here, and there are many other issues that need to be addressed. Among these are whether materialism per se is a violation of Torah, or only if that consumption is conspicuous; in what ways hedonism is inimical to spiritual growth and Torah values; if the problem is the amount we spend, or a general emphasis on lifestyle and possessions; how the high price of yeshiva tuition contributes to the problem; the issue of unethical and illegal business schemes infiltrating many Orthodox communities (and perhaps being ignored); the lessons we failed to learn from Covid; why speaking about materialism matters even if it doesn't seem that anything is changing; and much more.
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