Easter celebrates the resurrection - and a politician who has been resurrected more times than most is former National leader Judith Collins. In an almost biblical career, she's been demoted, re-promoted, and eventually elevated to the party leadership - a job she described as "hell" and lost in a brutal no-confidence vote.

In an exclusive, long-form interview with Thomas Coughlan, Collins elaborates on why she never wanted to be leader, how she ended up replacing Todd Muller, her relationship with Simon Bridges, and why, after all that, she's still committed to her role as MP.

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Episode 19: Judith Collins reveals why she never wanted to be leader