What are borders, and why do we have them? And how is violent border enforcement at the US-Mexico border connected to Israel's brutal assault on Gaza? And what happens when borders cross living land and communities?

We'll dig into these questions on this week's episode with the help of Heba Gowayed, sociology professor at CUNY Hunter College and Graduate Center. And then we'll hear a story brought to us by In Confianza, with Pulso about one time when the natural boundary between two countries changed – and what happened to the people caught on the other side.

Featuring:

Heba Gowayed, sociology professor at CUNY Hunter College and Graduate Center and author of "Refuge: How the State Shapes Human Potential" and the forthcoming "The Cost of Border"

Credits:

"The Border is Alive!" from In Confianza, with Pulso**

Written and produced by Charlie Garcia
Edited by Liz Alarcón
Original Music by Julian Blackmore
Audio engineering and mixing by Charlie Garcia and Julian Blackmore
Special thanks to Gina Hernandez at Chamizal National Memorial

Making Contact Staff:

Host: Lucy Kang
Producers: Anita Johnson, Salima Hamirani, Amy Gastelum, and Lucy Kang
Executive Director: Jina Chung
Editor: Adwoa Gyimah-Brempong
Engineer: [Jeff Emtman](http://www.jeffemtman.com/)
Digital Media Marketing: Anubhuti Kumar

Music Credits:

"Documentary" by AlisiaBeats via Pixabay

Learn More:

Making Contact website: [www.radioproject.org](http://www.radioproject.org/)

Heba Gowayed: www.[hebagowayed.com](http://hebagowayed.com/)

In Confianza, with Pulso: [www.projectpulso.org/tag/podcast](http://www.projectpulso.org/tag/podcast)

URL:

https://focmedia.org/2024/05/borders-what-are-they-good-for/

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