CoinDesk Podcast Network Roham Gharegozlou on Flow and Dapper Labs' Mission to Take DeFi Mainstream
Dec 8, 2025
Roham Gharegozlou, Co-founder and CEO of Dapper Labs, shares his journey in creating digital collectibles like CryptoKitties and NBA Top Shot. He discusses Dapper's strategic pivot from NFTs to DeFi with Peak Money, emphasizing the role of stablecoins and programmable assets in shaping the future of tokenized economies. Roham also highlights how consumer-friendly design and partnerships are key to scaling Flow, and he envisions a world where creators manage their own digital economies, powered by Agentic AI.
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NFTs Are Just A Primitive
- NFTs are a file format; real value comes from what you build on top of them.
- Roham predicts every creator will have fungible and non-fungible economies tied to their profiles.
Design From Customer Back To Tech
- Start product design from customer needs, then work back to the tech.
- Combine consumer UX with open programmability to onboard mainstream users.
Automation Enables Agentic Finance
- Flow added native on-chain automation to enable scheduled, real-time actions.
- Roham argues future financial apps will be automated, personalized, and agentic.