Big Ideas Mike Burgess — Espionage is a growing and costly threat to Australia
Aug 5, 2025
Mike Burgess, Director-General of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), reveals the intricate world of espionage threats facing Australia. He discusses alarming tactics used by foreign spies targeting media, academia, and government sectors, estimating the economic impact at a staggering $12.5 billion. Burgess emphasizes the importance of collective responsibility in countering these threats, advocating for greater public awareness. He also highlights ASIO's pivotal role in national security and ongoing reforms to address these challenges.
AI Snips
Chapters
Transcript
Episode notes
Espionage Threat Reality
- Espionage is a real and serious threat to Australia, involving nation-states seeking strategic advantage.
- It involves targeting public servants, academics, military personnel, and critical infrastructure with sophisticated methods.
1983 Spy Scandal
- In 1983, a Soviet spy scandal nearly toppled the Australian government.
- Prime Minister Bob Hawke responded decisively, making tough calls that preserved national security and his political future.
Broad and Growing Spying Landscape
- Australia faces espionage threats from many countries, not just the usual suspects.
- Foreign services target technology, policy, infrastructure, and individuals across society for strategic gain.