States, Markets, and the Rest of Us | Grace Blakeley
Mar 13, 2025
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In this discussion, Grace Blakeley, a political economist and author of "Vulture Capitalism," tackles the intertwining dynamics of states and markets. She critiques how the illusion of their opposition has stripped power from everyday people, leading to a collective loss of purpose. Grace explores historical class struggles and the erosion of unions, emphasizes the need for collective action against neoliberalism, and advocates for reinvigorating local economies as a pathway to resist capitalist oppression.
The historical balance of power between workers and politicians has shifted dramatically, leading to increased economic inequality and marginalization of ordinary citizens.
Collective action and community organizing are essential for reclaiming political voice and disrupting the elite-dominated socio-economic system to foster a more equitable future.
Deep dives
The Shift in Power Dynamics
The podcast discusses the historical balance of power between workers and bosses within democracies, highlighting that politicians once had to heed the demands of ordinary people to maintain stability. This balance has shifted significantly, leading to a decline in the collective power of the populace, particularly as the labor movement has weakened. The dismantling of this equilibrium, especially during the Thatcher and Reagan eras, has allowed a socio-economic system to emerge that primarily favors the wealthy, intensifying economic inequality. The resultant dynamic has positioned politicians and big businesses in collusion, with ordinary citizens left marginalized and voiceless.
Understanding Capitalism's Nature
The conversation critiques the commonly held belief that capitalism operates as a system of free markets and democracy. The speaker asserts that capitalism has always relied on a collaborative relationship between the state and businesses, suggesting the notion of a purely capitalist system is misguided. Historical examples highlight how mechanisms of economic control involve political influence, indicating that our current crises emerge from a system designed for elite benefit rather than public welfare. This understanding challenges the idea that modern capitalism deviates from its original principles, instead revealing how it correctly functions as intended to consolidate power among a small elite.
The Divide Between Two Economies
The podcast emphasizes the distinction between the abstract, idealized economy discussed by politicians and economists, and the tangible, everyday economy experienced by most people. The hosts explain how political narratives often fail to reflect the lived realities of citizens, expecting them to benefit from economic growth that does not trickle down to their daily lives. Despite claims of a growing economy and low employment rates, many individuals face stagnating wages and increasing living costs. This disconnect highlights the urgent need to refocus discussions on the actual economic conditions impacting communities rather than abstract metrics or financial markets.
Reclaiming Collective Action
The podcast underscores the importance of collective action as a means to counterbalance the influence of elites in society, advocating for a renewed focus on community and partnership. It stresses that for real change to occur, ordinary people must unite and reclaim their voice within the political realm, challenging the individualism that often leads to isolation and competition. By sharing stories of successful organizing, such as labor movements and community initiatives, the discussion encourages listeners to recognize their agency in effecting change. The hope is to inspire collective momentum that can disrupt the status quo and promote a more equitable future.
Just decades ago, working people had power to leverage governments, ensuring our politicians weren’t just capitulating to markets — they were also working to keep people happy who had the power to shut the economy down. Then our unions disappeared.
Since then, the markets and states have worked in tandem to secure power and wealth, stripping everyday people from their communities, a sense of purpose, and their source of power: collectivism. Part of how they’ve done this, argues political economist Grace Blakeley, is create the illusion of markets and states being at odds with one another, of existing separately rather than being both sides of the same coin. She joins me to explain how we came to think of the economy as an abstract entity, why politicians throw working people under the bus the minute they come to power, and how people can organise to resist the erosion of their lives and livelihoods by reinvigorating local economies.
To learn more, you can read Grace’s most recent book, Vulture Capitalism. You can also read her regular analyses on Substack, and support her latest venture, the What Can We Do newsletter which platforms British communities who are organising pockets of resistance against neoliberal capitalism.
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