
The Bulwark Podcast George Packer: Trump Was a Symptom
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Nov 28, 2025 George Packer, Staff writer at The Atlantic and bestselling author, dives into the factors that paved the way for Trump, arguing that societal decay and division were already in play. He discusses his new novel that explores themes of societal collapse and our struggle to coexist. Packer warns about the dangers of AI undermining literacy and democratic discourse. He critiques figures like Charlie Kirk and J.D. Vance, while also offering a glimpse of hope through the resilience of communities and individuals.
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Authoritarian Strength Paired With Fragility
- Trump has accumulated immense power quickly while appearing weaker and more flailing than before.
- That contradiction makes him both a grave authoritarian risk and a fragile political leader.
Republican Party As The Crucial Check
- The key check is whether the Republican Party reasserts itself as an independent institution rather than a personalist following.
- If the GOP fractures and members defy Trump, the balance of power could shift quickly.
Why Packer Returned To Fiction
- George Packer explains he returned to fiction because journalism struggled to sustain a shared sense of reality after events like January 6th.
- He wrote The Emergency as a fable about an empire that collapses from boredom and loss of faith in itself.

















