Outer Order, Inner Calm with Gretchen Rubin

Gretchen Rubin is a NYT Bestselling author and podcast host. Her past works have explored everything from the life and times of Winston Churchill to how decluttering your life can help lead to a calm mind.

In this episode, Chad sits down with Gretchen to discuss her most recent book (“Outer Order, Inner Calm”), her writing process, and what you can learn from two of history’s most influential leaders.

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