The One Where We Geek Out on Embracing Your Inner Hotness with Diana Pham

Jun 4, 2024

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With a high spirit and a low sense of mortality, Diana completed her master’s in CS regardless of never having coded prior to grad school. Through her passion for learning and teaching tech, she found her calling in advocacy, where she exercises her creativity through conference talks and content creation. She likes oysters.

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ADRIANA: Hey y'all, welcome to Geeking Out, the podcast about all geeky aspects of software delivery, DevOps, Observability, reliability, and everything in between. I'm your host Adriana Villela, coming to you from Toronto, Canada. And Geeking Out with me today from KubeHuddle in Toronto, I have Diana Pham.

DIANA: Thanks for having me.

ADRIANA: Super excited to have you. I've put it on my to do list for KubeHuddle to like, anyone that I've wanted to interview for my podcast that I haven't interviewed, who is here? I'm nailing them down. So yay.

DIANA: I mean, it wasn't really hard to find me because we're both organizers. We more or less had each other's schedules. We ran the schedule, and so we just actually put this entire conference on hold to have this podcast.

ADRIANA: That's right, that's right. They're waiting for us right now. Awesome. Okay, so before we get started, I've got some lightning round questions while my lovely daughter Hannah does like ballet in the background just to troll me, which I love. Okay, are you ready?

DIANA: Yes.

ADRIANA: Okay, first question. Are you a lefty or a righty?

DIANA: I am a righty.

ADRIANA: Okay. Are you iPhone or Android?

DIANA: I'm an iPhone-er. Why don't I have to think about that? I don't know. I thought about that less harder than when you asked me like right or left? I looked down.

ADRIANA: Okay, next question. Mac, Linux or windows?

DIANA: Mac. Just because that's what my company provides.

ADRIANA: Fair enough. That's a good answer. What's your favorite programming language?

DIANA: I am a Python girly.

ADRIANA: Ooh, team Python. And Hannah is like all excited in the background because she loves the Python. I do love Python. I grew up in Java land.

DIANA: Oh, same. It was my second language, Java land. Oh, Java land.

ADRIANA: Java land. I don't know. I'm getting trolled by Tim. Getting trolled by Tim in the background because of my pronunciation of Java.

DIANA: That's pretty accurate. So it was actually my 2nd, 2nd programming language, if not first. And whenever I tweet about me working on something Java related, people would comment. They're like, oh, why are you using Java? Or like, oh, what are you building? And I was like, whatever my company is asking or whatever my company's paying me to build.

ADRIANA: So that's fair. That's fair.

DIANA: Yeah, yeah.

ADRIANA: You like Java? Because I've grown to not like it.

DIANA: It's very verbose. But I'm also a very verbose person, as you'll realize as I keep talking when I shouldn't.

ADRIANA: Hey there's nothing wrong with that. Okay, next question. Do you prefer Dev or Ops?

DIANA: I'm a Dev. I want to learn Ops, but I can barely Ops on a daily basis. I'm going to go with Dev.

ADRIANA: All righty. Do you prefer JSON or YAML?

DIANA: I'm gonna go with JSON. This readability wise.

ADRIANA: That's funny. See, I find, like, JSON not readable for myself. Yeah. I find YAML more readable.

DIANA: I think it's also because when I look at JSON, it's like, an aesthetic thing for me, where I visualize boxes that don't exist. But that's just me being a little dululo, but it works for me. So.

ADRIANA: So, like, the curly braces kind of, like, frame things.

DIANA: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

ADRIANA: And Java vibes.

DIANA: Java vines. Exactly. Once again, verbose, unnecessary, but they're there.

ADRIANA: Okay, next question. Spaces or tabs?

DIANA: I'm gonna say tabs.

ADRIANA: All right.

DIANA: Just out of convenience. Okay, convenience.

ADRIANA: Okay, next question. Two more to go. Do you prefer consuming...I can't talk now.

DIANA: No, you're good.

ADRIANA: Do you prefer consuming content through video or text?

DIANA: Ooh, I would say video. Yeah.

ADRIANA: All right, final question. What is your superpower?

DIANA: Oh, my gosh. So on my. Yeah, so on my slide for our upcoming panel, the closing keynote panel, I put eating oysters and walking and talking in heels.

ADRIANA: Nice. Yeah, that is a skill.

DIANA: I guess, simultaneously, I can walk, talk, and wear heels and eat oysters. And eat oysters. I've never been asked to do that, but if I was, I'm pretty sure I could.

ADRIANA: That could be a special talent at a pageant.

DIANA: There we go. So, for those of you who don't know, Hannah refers me as "Pageant Friend".

ADRIANA: Pageant Friend. Yeah.

DIANA: So I'm not sure how much context you've given her about what I do, but when I was in college, I actually competed in pageants. It was a way of me raising money for school because I went through, like, this whole crisis realizing that I just pulled a bunch of loans without really knowing the value of money when you're 18. And so what do I...

ADRIANA: Just give them to you!

DIANA: Yeah. Yeah. And...and I was like, oh, college. Everyone does that. And so however much it costs, it was like, oh, loans. Everyone knows, like, oh, you need to take both as an American. "As an American", it's really common to get student loans. And so you just have this preconceived notion that you're going to be spending the rest of your life paying off these loans. But once I started to get a job and have some sort of understanding of what the value of money was. I was like, oh, my gosh, I took a lot of money out, you know, and so that's kind of how I spiraled and decided to do a pageant, which is not a very common way of raising money for your school. But...yeah!

ADRIANA: They must pay well enough.

DIANA: Honestly, they didn't like, they didn't. But I do have to admit that when I competed in one, I was in Miss Vietnam, San Diego of 2017. I did that one. I ended up winning, even though my parents really didn't want me to compete. They were more like, hey, just focus in school. Focus on, you know, the things that matter. But I went behind their back. Not saying that other kids of that age should be doing that, but I went behind their back. I competed, I won, and they were very upset that I went behind their back because it was also my, like, I'm Vietnamese American, my family, we celebrate Lunar New Year's, and that was the one year that New Year's landed on a weekend.

ADRIANA: Oh.

DIANA: And so of all years that I could have competed, it was that one. So fast forward. They are really proud that, you know, I had that accomplishment. But where it really, like, paid off, I guess it definitely did not pay off all of school, but I lost my grandpa that same year, and my parents, they're definitely not, like. I don't want to say not in the position, but they do financially support me in school as much as they could. And during that one quarter where the bills were due, they had to fly back to Vietnam for the funeral or just to see my grandpa one last time. And I did not have, like, money from them to pay for school. And so what I do, I cash that check, and that check alone from that one competition paid enough for me to cover my dues for the quarter.

ADRIANA: That's so cool.

DIANA: Yeah, that's awesome.

ADRIANA: Hey, I mean, you got to do what you got to do there to make ends meet. That's so cool. And. But you continued doing pageants.

DIANA: I did. After that, it was more like, I definitely wanted to continue to do it for school. I started competing in more, like, the American pageants in the past, I did more vietnamese local pageants. And so miss. I did miss America's organization, and that was actually the first time I did a tech...a tech talent.

ADRIANA: Oh, cool. What was it?

DIANA: And so you get 90 seconds on stage, and so most girls, you know, they sing, they dance, they play an instrument. And I was like, I'm gonna do a tech demo. And so I did one where I explained how my parents, they're immigrants, and they didn't initially learn English when they grew up. Like, growing up, they just didn't know English. While I, on the other hand, am...

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: Like, I was given that opportunity. And so when voice assistants came out, here we are with the means to actually purchase them, while back then, like, they never thought that, you know, Alexa would be in their life or they would even be able to afford it. And then finally they came here, they pursued the American Dream. They finally are able to afford this thing, but it doesn't understand them because of their accents. And so just to give some perspective on that, it's just like, it's not that Alexa is racist or anything. It's just the lack of data that's out there, you know? And so I designed an app where they can just text, like, whatever control command they want for the house assisting, or, like, the home assistant. So super briefly high level explained that in 90 seconds, and then I demoed it.

ADRIANA: Oh, my God. So it was like an interview. Yeah, like a job interview. I mean, these things are interviews anyway.

DIANA: I mean, they really are. They really are. And the very first time I did it, it was just like trial by fire. I don't even think that was a term. It was more like your. What is it? The right to passage into town is a demo failing?

ADRIANA: Oh, my God.

DIANA: And so what happened? I didn't...I didn't witness this with my eyes, but I remember I was about to get onto stage, and I hear someone behind me go, oh, there goes the router. When you hear something like that, you're like, I'm not even going to turn around because the lights are going to come up in, like, 5 seconds. And in my mind, I was like, there's no chance this works if someone just unplugged the router and what happened? But it's all right. I had another shot at not that pageant, but I had another shot to do it, and that was really nice. It worked out.

ADRIANA: That's so cool. Yeah. That's so exciting. Yeah. And, you know, like, one of the things that I admire about the fact that, like, you still do these pageants and that I really liked when I met you last year at KubeHuddle is the fact that, like, you lean into, like, your girliness in tech, because I think, like, I think a lot of girls are almost conditioned in tech to, like, not be girly because, you know, you gotta, like, be one of the boys and stuff and.

DIANA: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I definitely felt that when I was in grad school. If you saw, there's actually a video of me. I tweeted it a while back. It was like someone quoting, oh, you must have partied a lot in college. And then you see the video attached, and it's me, like, curled up in a ball in a big hoodie with my friends around. Everyone's, like, playing video games, and you pan to the girl in the corner, and I'm playing a harmonica with, like, my hair tied up, glasses, no makeup. And so I had my unglamorous moments, and I'm like, no, I'm gonna...

DIANA: you know, I'm a pretty feminine person, and I'm not gonna be apologetic about it, or at least I try not to be.

ADRIANA: Because why should we be apologetic for who we are?

DIANA: Yeah, yeah. And it never really, like, stood out to me that other people weren't like that until you brought it up to me that you're like, I'm gonna wear a dress.

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: And I was like, oh, I didn't even realize that other people weren't wearing dresses. I mean, I did, but it wasn't like, because, yeah, no one else is wearing a dress, and I won't wear a dress type of scenario. And I was like, wow, that really sucks, because that definitely is a thing.

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, like, I never wear dresses to conferences, and for this conference, I decided I want to, like, embrace my....my....femmeness.

DIANA: Yes. And then she had, like, a statement...she had a statement skirt yesterday at her speak...at our speaker/organizer dinner.

ADRIANA: Yeah, I did a schoolgirl outfit thing going on.

DIANA: I think it was a skirt.

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah. It was, like, kind of a lime. It was a lime green plaid skirt and then, like, kind of a brightish pink color. No, I know.

DIANA: I was surprised after, too.

TIM: This is why we did SIG-fashion.

DIANA: We were literally talking about this yesterday.

TIM: I've been talking about that for a couple years now.

DIANA: Oh, my gosh.

ADRIANA: There should be SIG-fashion and SIG-makeup.

DIANA: Yeah.

ADRIANA: We're talking about...

TIM: SIG-hair care, right?

ADRIANA: SIG-nails.

DIANA: So GitHub...

TIM: Yeah.

ADRIANA: Oh, so beautiful. Oh, there you go. Yeah, my nails. My nails. For this conference.

DIANA: Yeah, I think GitHub does a really good job at that. They actually have the press on nails.

ADRIANA: Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember those.

DIANA: Yeah, we need more of that. And we're talking about how we should have a makeup station at tech conferences where you can just glow up and have statement makeup based off of your company colors or not. Whatever.

ADRIANA: That could be fun. Yeah. I mean, because they have face painting stations.

DIANA: We were talking about that too.

ADRIANA: Come on.

DIANA: Because how do we get on that topic? Oh, you're talking about clown makeup. And how do we.

ADRIANA: I don't wear makeup because I feel like whenever I put it on, look. I look like a clown.

DIANA: Natural here.

ADRIANA: Yeah. I'm getting, like, looks from Hannah in the background.

DIANA: No, it is really funny, because Hannah, she has makeup on, and I feel like you two are just like a copy-paste of each other. And so if you did want to wear makeup, you see the mirror in front of you.

ADRIANA: I think Hannah's learned how to do my makeup now that works with my skin tone because my eyes are a little more inset than hers. So let's just say that that makeup experiment was quite interesting and yielded some very fun results.

DIANA: Well, we made it. We made it. Yeah.

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: I just thought of the idea of, like, you just putting on clown makeup right now. Like, we should just. Oh, my God.

ADRIANA: Like a clown for a conference.

DIANA: No, we have a...SIG-clown.

TIM: Oh, man. Right now you're gonna lose...you lose a lot of people on that one.

ADRIANA: Okay.

ADRIANA: We got. We got the thumbs down on that.

DIANA: Oh, my gosh. Companies. I actually really wanted this because someone brought it up to me. In case you don't know. I wear false lashes to a lot of conferences. Like, I love...No, I take hair and I glue it onto my eyelid.

ADRIANA: When you describe it that way, it just sounds so enticing. I know.

DIANA: It is. Yeah. And I just styled them differently every time.

ADRIANA: There you go.

DIANA: Sometimes I snip them. Sometimes, like, layers.

ADRIANA: I'm very scared of false lashes.

DIANA: Yeah. But I was saying, imagine, like, a company actually had that as swag, and they branded the lashes as swag. I would. I would be on that. It's such a good idea. We got the confirmation. We got an investor. All right, over here.

ADRIANA: Well, because, I mean, conference swag. Like, we've bitched about this before. The conference t-shirts. Anyone who's organizing a conference, for the love of God, and thank goodness. I would say, like, the last few KubeCons, Open Source Summits, at least made an effort to have, like, fitted and non-fitted t-shirts.

DIANA: Or at least smaller sizes available.

ADRIANA: Yeah, smaller sizes. And I prefer the fitted for myself because, I don't know, I like to look cute in my conference t-shirts. And, you know, I was at a thing, a work thing last year where they made these t-shirts, and they were really cool. And so I'm like, oh, I want one. And the guy who was taking orders he's like, what size? I'm like, well, do you have, like, extra small fitted? And he's like, nah, they're baggy, but you can just wear it around the house. I'm like, don't trigger me. Don't say this stuff to me. Like, I want to look cute around the house. Not look like a frigging bum when I'm around the house.

DIANA: But even then, why wouldn't you want us to wear it in public? For your thing?

ADRIANA: Yeah. So I was like, I was so, so angry. I'm like, forget it. I don't want a t-shirt. Like, no, no, it fits me or not.

DIANA: Yeah, yeah. I definitely feel like I end up getting left with the options of, like, oh, do you want a maxi skirt size t-shirt or a, like, clubbing dress? Like a maxi dress or, like, a clubbing dress size t-shirt based on whatever sizes they have left?

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah.

DIANA: Um, and that kind of sucks, but that is what it is.

ADRIANA: It does.

DIANA: Although sometimes I don't really blame them, because different, uh, what is it? Vendors, they have different cuts.

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is tricky. I've having had to order t-shirts for my teams before. I almost had a heart attack trying to find t-shirts that would appeal to, like, all the people, but, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would like more conference swag. That's like, you know, a little bit of. A little more femininity. I mean, girls attend conferences, too.

DIANA: What?

ADRIANA: Well, I know, right?

DIANA: Oh, my goodness. Recently, I was at a conference, and I was talking to someone who said it was hilarious. The one time that they went to this, like, huge, several thousand people conference, and whoever the performer was, they were like, this one goes out to all the ladies. Yeah, I see all 14 of you. That's right. Yep. I see y'all. And mind you, there's, like, thousands of people, and he and this performer, like, they knew. They knew.

ADRIANA: Oh my God, he zeroed in on it.

DIANA: Yeah.

ADRIANA: That's hilarious.

DIANA: Yeah, no, that was great, though.

ADRIANA: It's like, the bathroom lines at conferences.

DIANA: Oh, yeah. Like, very. It's a good problem to have when the lines are longer.

ADRIANA: Yeah, that's true. Although I I have to say that I do enjoy, like, not spending forever.

DIANA: Oh, yeah.

ADRIANA: But, yes, I I agree. Longer bathroom lines means that we're getting more ladies out. And one thing that, like, I have liked about KubeHuddle is we've had a good percentage of the ladies at the conference, which is really good.

DIANA: I didn't want to be, like, predatorial, but I was like, oh, my gosh. These girls, like, dressed in things other than their company tees and jeans. And unfortunately, I wasn't able to hunt them down to, like, do a reel about it, but I would have loved to do that.

ADRIANA: Yeah. Yeah. We're kind of all over the place. Yeah, it's been a busy. Yeah, it's been busy organizing KubeHuddle. And this is, like, your second KubeHuddle that you've organized.

DIANA: It is. And this is your, like, your first and you. Yeah. In case y'all didn't know, she put together both panels.

ADRIANA: Yeah. And in case people don't know, Diana is based out of Denver, right?

DIANA: I am. I am. And I'm not as good of a climber than you, for sure. It sucks. I actually started. I did. I had a. I had a movement pass for a couple of months, and then I had, like, some stupid surgery.

DIANA: It was, like, super minor, but I also couldn't do physical things. And then I never get my nails done.

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: But of course, the one time that I decided to get into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I got my nails done, and so I just like, not doing all these activities that I wish I had done, but I'll come around to it eventually. SIG-climbers. SIG-climbers.

ADRIANA: Yeah, I think there is a SIG-climbing.

DIANA: Oh, really?

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is. There is. Although usually, like, I'm kind of a lone wolf boulderer, so. But I'll go, like, with a small crew for...actually, Marino's been my bouldering buddy for the last several conferences. Or last two, I guess. So for the last KubeCon and for Open Source Summit, I dragged him out early in the morning because that's the only time you can go when you're at a conference.

DIANA: Yeah, I sleep in.

ADRIANA: Yeah. I mean, normally I do, too. Like, you know...

DIANA: You have, like, so much self control and discipline while I'm here. Like, I sleep.

ADRIANA: I normally like to sleep in in the mornings, but for conferences, I'm like. I'm. I'm obsessed enough with bouldering that I'll just like, okay. I'll wake up at some God awful time to go.

DIANA: Is that, like, your thing?

ADRIANA: That is my thing. That's my, like, center. Yeah, yeah, that and capys. Yeah.

DIANA: Have you ever seen one?

ADRIANA: Yes. Okay, so here in Toronto, there is a zoo in one of the...we have, like, this big park not too far from here, and there are capys at the zoo, and they're just chilling. Yeah, yeah. And actually, as a birthday present, Hannah and my husband took me to see the capys and. But they didn't tell me where we were going, so, like, we went on the subway, and then they blindfolded me. And so when we exited the subway, I was, like, blindfolded walking to this park, having no freaking clue.

DIANA: I would be terrified.

ADRIANA: It was a little scary.

DIANA: Not...not because of them. Like, you know, if it was anyone else that I didn't know, I'd be like, okay, I might die. But no, even if it was someone I knew, I would get scared just because I'm, like, over sensitive when I can't be or, you know, when I lose some sense. I'm oversensitive in the worst way.

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really freaky. And having to trust people to, like, guide you and, like, oh, watch your step when you're walking through here and don't, like, step on dog crap.

DIANA: Yeah.

ADRIANA: Oh, yeah. They were trying. They tried to, like, disorient me. I kind of figured out what they were up to, like, partway in just because I know them, but it was still a great surprise. And, like, they...honestly, capys are, like, majestic creatures.

DIANA: They're, like, giant rat, but they're, like, so chill.

ADRIANA: They're so chill. They've got, like, this resting bitch face.

DIANA: Of, like, yo, have you seen the reels lately?

ADRIANA: Oh, my God. Like, I subscribe to very...to many capy IG accounts.

DIANA: Yeah, the ones are just sitting there in the tub, and there's water on them, and they're just.

ADRIANA: And they're like, ugh. Or, like, ducks, like, pecking at them, and they're like, come at me, bro.

DIANA: You know who I was actually really surprised had never seen a goat.

ADRIANA: Who?

DIANA: Kunal.

ADRIANA: Oh.

DIANA: Up until, like, last year, like, a couple months ago, he had never seen a goat. That's why I was curious. If you've ever seen a capy before.

ADRIANA: That's a fair question to ask. And they're a super common animal.

DIANA: I don't think I've even seen one, but, like, everyone knows what these animals look like.

ADRIANA: See it live. Yeah.

DIANA: But in. In practice, like, I'm thinking, have I ever seen one? I don't think I've ever seen. No, I've seen a goat for sure, but I've never seen a capy. Is this some state animal?

ADRIANA: If you're here in Toronto longer, I don't know when you leave, but there's the High Park Zoo, and they have capys.

DIANA: Are capys from Toronto?

ADRIANA: No, they're from South America.

DIANA: Oh. What?

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

DIANA: What are they doing here?

ADRIANA: Chillin in the zoo.

DIANA: Okay.

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: Like, wandering free. Because I don't get.

ADRIANA: No, no, they're not. No, they're. These ones aren't wandering free. Like, they have, like, different animals on display. I mean, yeah, they have, like, a, you know, kind of a pen, a fenced in pen area where they. They wander free. I think there's, like, a pair of them.

DIANA: Oh.

ADRIANA: And they just chill, and it's...

DIANA: But in South America, are they wandering free like the guinea pig?

ADRIANA: Yeah. So in. So in Rio, there's, like, a part of Rio called Lagoa where apparently they roam freely, which now I, like, I have renewed reason to return so that I can see them solely for that. Solely for that.

DIANA: I mean, morbid question, but are they. Do people eat of them the way. The way guinea pigs are over there, like, as common?

ADRIANA: Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. I I've never heard of people eating a capybara.

DIANA: Okay. I mean, I didn't know that people eat guinea pigs as commonly as they were until I met or I knew a friend who went to Peru for a hot minute.

ADRIANA: Oh.

DIANA: And they were just like, yeah, eating Guinea pics.

ADRIANA: But they're so cute and cuddly.

DIANA: Have you ever had balut?

ADRIANA: What?

DIANA: Balut?

ADRIANA: No, I don't think so.

DIANA: Yeah. How would you describe balut? In case I can't hear it, I'll repeat you.

TIM: So balut.

DIANA: Balut.

TIM: A preserved fertilized...

DIANA: There we go. Preserved fertilized duck egg. There it is.

TIM: And not fertilized, but, like, this duck is basically fully formed.

DIANA: Not always. I don't like the fully formed.

TIM: I said basically, but almost always. That's what you get, right? It's not a bloody yolk.

DIANA: It is.

TIM: You got feathers, you got bones, you got bill, you got the...

DIANA: You need to try it in, like, cooked in tamarind sauce.

TIM: No, stop.

DIANA: In tamarind sauce. You don't really taste all that.

TIM: I grew up around a lot of Filipinos. When I was coming up in my neighborhood in Virginia, I tried balut several times. Several ways, and not one of them was even close to palatable.

ADRIANA: Wow.

DIANA: I respect the fact that you're willing to try.

TIM: That's like, ever tried it like this? I'm like, y'all...

ADRIANA: So balut. So fertilized duck. Developed, Developed, Developed duck in egg.

DIANA: Yeah.

ADRIANA: So you eat it in the egg?

DIANA: Yeah. So you crack the top. So you take a little spoon, and you crack it on top, and then you take a shot of the broth like you would a shot of tequila.

ADRIANA: There is a broth.

DIANA: There's a broth.

TIM: It's not broth..

ADRIANA: It's the thing that the duck is in.

TIM: I mean, technically, I guess it's a broth. It's the duck juice.

HANNAH: What are you talking about? When people do, like, the duck eggs. When the duck is...

ADRIANA: Of course Hannah knows about this because of Instagram, right?

HANNAH: Probably YouTube.

ADRIANA: Sorry, sorry.

DIANA: Obviously not Instagram. Speaking of old, like old with social media, I remember back then, this was, like, maybe a decade ago, my niece was telling me how she was telling her friend something. Something Facebook. And her friend was like, who still uses Facebook? And she was like, my aunt. I was still in my twenties then. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they're like, well, my aunt. And they just made me sound like a dinosaur from that. And I was like, I'm pretty sure Facebook is still hip. Okay, now that I say it out loud...

ADRIANA: I mean, Hannah's on Facebook, but she does it to troll my husband. She calls it old people social media.

DIANA: It is still happening.

ADRIANA: You want to hear something depressing about feeling old? So at the speaker dinner yesterday, Renata and I were talking to somebody, and it happens that she's going to the same university that I went to for school. And I'm like, yeah, I graduated in 2001. And she's like, I was born in 2001. I just died right there. Yeah, yeah, that was uh...

DIANA: But I think a lot of things are changing in a very short amount of time. Or at least I saw myself that to make myself feel better, because then I'll talk to someone who now goes to my alma mater, and they'll say something. And I was like, oh, that building didn't even exist when I went there. But that's probably because it got built the next year that I left.

ADRIANA: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. We were trading stories of, yeah, that building was a parking lot when I was there.

DIANA: After I left is when it manifested.

ADRIANA: It's always better after you leave. Like, we had dumpy ass facilities at my school, and then it's like, oh, you get two new buildings. I'm like, great, thanks.

DIANA: So is there anything that's very specific that, you know, happened like that?

ADRIANA: Yeah, we got two new buildings after I left.

DIANA: I don't. I'm guessing those buildings got built after I left, but one of the colleges that I was in. So you have, like, your main college, which is UC San Diego, and then within that, you are split up into, like, Harry Potter houses.

ADRIANA: Okay.

DIANA: Which is, honestly, that's kind of what it was. Now that I'm thinking about it, that is exactly what it was. So my college was called 6th college. It didn't even have a name.

ADRIANA: That's sad.

DIANA: Yeah. And then by the time I left and I was like, 6th college and like, what is that? I actually don't know what it's called now.

ADRIANA: That's when you feel old. I know, I know. But, you know, it means that we've, you know, we've come up in the world. We have. We are like a fine wine.

DIANA: I'll take it. I'll take it. Especially, like, you've been around for a while, not like you're just very knowledgeable and I feel like you have a lot to share with the community. And so anytime I see you and just like, your talks are just walking around, I learn a lot from you.

ADRIANA: Thank you.

DIANA: Yes, yes. And I hope that one day I can pass on the same knowledge outside of people knowing I use Facebook. Are you not on...are you not on the Facebook Tim?

TIM: I still have a Facebook account because my water burger account is tied to it.

DIANA: Okay. Fair. Priorities.

TIM: And for the marketplace and because, like, some, because I still have messenger because of Jiu-Jitsu contact.

DIANA: Okay.

ADRIANA: I have Messenger. I have a Facebook account that I haven't logged in in ten years.

TIM: The only time I ever open up Facebook is to go to the marketplace.

DIANA: Yeah. Have you been using, like, have you ever used other platforms to buy or sell use things and had any weird experiences?

ADRIANA: No, because, so this is like, my oldness is like, this is too weird for me where I'm like, I don't want to, like, buy and sell stuff.

DIANA: Can we give Hazel a cameo?

ADRIANA: Oh, yeah, Hazel can make Hazel come. Make a cameo.

DIANA: Make a cameo, please. They probably can't hear you because we're mic'd.

ADRIANA: Yeah, we're mic'd. But, you know, everyone's like, photobomb video bombed.

DIANA: Hazel's glowed up today.

ADRIANA: Super, super fancy.

DIANA: Oh, yeah. You two are matching.

ADRIANA: For anyone who's listening. They're not going to get the visual experience of Hannah and Hazel matching on the green.

DIANA: Yes.

ADRIANA: Super swank.

DIANA: And then just imagine people who are only watching, not hearing the sound.

ADRIANA: I know.

DIANA: Yeah.

ADRIANA: Like this, this conversation is just like gone everywhere, which I love because I think, you know, one of the things about tech is, like, sometimes we take it too seriously and I think we need to have more fun. I mean, we have a mental health panel going on later today.

DIANA: Is it coming up? Do we need a...yeah.

ADRIANA: Well, I guess we need to wrap up.

TIM: I was just going to walk over. Them like, where are this?

TIM: Yeah, you know, the girlies, they're doing the selfies for the camera, for the social medias.

DIANA: For The Facebook. We'll email you.

ADRIANA: This is, like, the most off the cuff, like, episode of Geeking Out, and it's, like, all kinds of wonderful, and I'm embracing the wackiness of it. So since we need to wrap up, because we have a mental health panel that I'm live streaming soon, do you have any words of wisdom for our audience or hot takes?

DIANA: Hot takes. Hot takes. Be hot. I mean, I didn't really love it.

ADRIANA: Yeah.

DIANA: I didn't really think of that as a articulated thing that we do, but ever since, I mean, I. I said before, I'll say it again. Leanne Lee. She literally said this during our all women's panel last year. She just turns to me and she was like, I. What did she say exactly? She was like, I admire your courage to be hot and smart, and those are just things that I didn't really like...those are not adjectives I affiliate myself with in the tech space. Like, I'll have my, like, daily affirmations or whatever. Yeah, the fact that someone said it out loud. No, but the fact that someone said it out loud, I was like, no. If that's what you think about me, then that is definitely, like, what I feel about other women and more, and in some cases, even men who are, like, amazing allies towards us.

ADRIANA: I love it. I love it. That's okay.

DIANA: Be hot.

ADRIANA: Yeah, be hot. Yeah.

DIANA: Inner hotness or outer, who knows?

ADRIANA: Or. Yeah, that's true.

DIANA: That's true.

ADRIANA: Awesome. Awesome. All right, well, thank you, Diana, for geeking out with me today, y'all don't forget to subscribe, y'all. I'm getting fun of so badly.

DIANA: I don't even know what to do.

ADRIANA: Y'all, don't forget to subscribe. And be sure to check out the show notes for additional resources and to connect with us and our guests on social media.

DIANA: Until next time, peace out and geek out.

ADRIANA: Geeking Out is hosted and produced by me, Adriana Villela. I also compose and perform the theme music on my trusty clarinet. Geeking Out is also produced by my daughter, Hannah Maxwell, who, incidentally, designed all of the cool graphics. Be sure to follow us on all the socials by going to bento.me/geekingout.