John Hope Bryant sits down with DeKalb County CEO Lorraine Johnson — a groundbreaking leader overseeing a $4.8 billion government operation that shapes housing, business, infrastructure, and opportunity for nearly 800,000 people.

From her roots in rural Alabama to running one of the most economically important counties in America, CEO Johnson breaks down how counties really work, how money actually moves, and why most people misunderstand power, wealth, and access.

They unpack:

• Why government is the largest business in the world
• How ownership — not income — builds real wealth
• The hidden systems behind housing, credit, and opportunity
• Why financial literacy is a civil rights issue
• And how discipline, not luck, changes generations

This episode isn’t about politics.
It’s about how the system really works — and how to win inside it.

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