115: Sentientist Economics - Nicolas Treich - Sentientism

Nicolas is a research associate at INRAE (L’institut national de recherche pour l’agriculture, l’alimentation et l’environnement) and the Toulouse School of Economics. His work focuses on risk and decision theory, environmental economics, benefit-cost analysis and, more recently, on animal welfare. He has published scientific papers on subjects including the precautionary principle, the value of statistical life, and climate policy. He has organized several international conferences and written numerous articles for the general public, as well as reports on risk policy issues.

In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”

Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.

We discuss:

00:00 Welcome

01:31 Nicolas' Intro

- Economics, risk, environment, psychology, now non-human animals

- "Trying to include animal issues into mainstream economics"

- From anthropocentrism to sentientism in every field?

04:40 What's Real?

- Growing up in SW France

- Catholic parents, but "religion was not very important"

- Attending church

- Not anti-religion but not a positive view either

- "Religions have contributed to a strong divide between humans and animals... dominion... stewardship"

- Surrounded by animals... dogs, cows in grandfather's farm, horses

- "I liked to view myself as an animal lover"

- "I like to see myself as a scientifically-minded person" 

- Religious & naturalistic routes to anthropocentrism

12:08 What & Who Matters?

- "We are raised to eat meat... and we don't really question it"

- "My vegetarian epiphany" 10 years ago on a date

- "I was completely ignorant about what is going on in that industry [dairy, eggs, meat]"

- "I didn't see that when it's quite obvious - and I have wrong beliefs - what happened in my brain, my mind & in society?"

- Cognitive dissonance, meat paradox, psychology: "Every time I had new sources of information it was bad news"

- A colleague, expert in the meat industry, asked "what's the problem with animal welfare in the meat industry?"

- "People don't want to see, don't want to know... even the experts"

- "There is a demand for cognitive dissonance, but also a supply"

- The evolution of morality, but why do we care about animals - some more than others? Extension of our compassion for humans, reciprocity?

- Emotional / intellectual routes into moral consideration

- Bio/ecocentrism/holism

- "In economics, all research is anthropocentric"

...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.

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