Why hope? Because we have no other choice. A few years ago, Amber Haines entered a season of pain and despair when she resigned from her role as church curate and walked out those doors for the last time. Since then, she and Seth have been learning that hope requires a recognition of the deep-down things. Writers Seth, Amber, & Tsh Oxenreider talk about why we HAVE to hope, even when (especially when?) things are bleak.

* Guest: Amber Haines

* Hosts: authors Seth Haines and Tsh Oxenreider

* Seth & Amber’s new book, The Deep Down Things: Practices for Growing Hope in Times of Despair

* Buy a round of drinks

* Recommended reads

* Merch

* Go to Greece with Tsh

* Why We’re Required to Find Beauty

* Orthodox Farmhouse Brewery

* Patty Griffin: her self-titled 2019 album

* God of the Garden, by Andrew Peterson

* Ask a question! Email adrinkwithafriend@gmail.com

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