Julia Zwayne joins the conversation to share about her new book, All Things Broken and Beautiful: What if Pain Was Not Forever, a heartfelt collection born out of years of compiling poems and reflections. Ray, E.Z., Mark, and Oscar welcome Julia, honoring both her writing and the way God has worked through her brokenness to bring hope. E.Z. highlights a favorite poem from her book, moved not only as a believer but also as a father, seeing the fruit of his daughter’s faith at a young age. Oscar asks why despair has shaped so much of her writing, and Julia explains that the Lord often met her most powerfully in despair, bringing unexpected sweetness. The guys commend her gift, connecting it to their own stories of brokenness and dependence on God.

Ray shares how brokenness shaped his ministry, realizing that God delights in a contrite heart. E.Z. reflects how God used his brokenness to replace self-assurance with a more profound fear of the Lord. They note how lament, a biblical form of worshipful despair, is often missing in the church, leaving people without language for their pain. Julia’s poetry, often born from lament, becomes a testimony of truth and hope. She admits she tends to run to darkness out of habit, yet finds conviction and comfort in remembering God’s perfect plan. For her, poetry is a means of falling to her knees, echoing the Psalms as she laments honestly yet clings to hope.

Julia explains that stillness once terrified her because it left her alone with her thoughts, but she now knows she can walk through darkness with confidence in Christ. She writes in random bursts of inspiration, with her most powerful work often coming through times of pain. One such poem, "Blank Spaces," captures the monotony of life and the melancholy of routine, resonating with anyone who feels unseen in their daily struggles. The guys remind listeners that in despair, God is near—Jesus Himself wept at Lazarus’ tomb, showing the depth of His compassion.

The conversation grows vulnerable as the guys recall seasons of suffering, pointing to God’s healing of the brokenhearted. They urge believers wrestling with despair to embrace lament but also allow the Lord to lift them into joy. Pain may last for a lifetime, but God’s presence never leaves. Through brokenness, He equips His people to minister to others and reminds them not to underestimate the power of His Word. Without trials, faith would be shallow; with them, His grace is revealed as sufficient. And one day, standing at heaven’s threshold, believers will look back in awe at how God used even the darkest moments for His glory.

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Ray Comfort
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