Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck’s writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub’s Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023] 

00:00 – Intro  

00:26 – Intro Links 

• Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ 

• Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ 
• Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ 
• Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ 
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb 
• CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ 

• innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 

02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro  

03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy?  

06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering  

08:29 – Very Dark Grey  

10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin  

11:25 – Making OJ look good  

15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't  

19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth  

21:13 – Setting boundaries  

22:21 – Hacking people is easy  

24:46 – Some need convincing  

26:08 – Ransomware  

28:38 – No spies here!  

30:03 – This isn't going away!  

31:08 – Knock, knock  

32:35 – Hacking the human  

34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online 

• Website: www.robertkerbeck.com  

35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors? 

• Professor from Freshman Year 
• Frank Abagnale 

36:49 – Book Recommendations: 

• Fair Game – Valerie Plame 
• Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale 

• RUSE – Robert Kerbeck 

38:00 – Guest Wrap Up  

38:26 – Outro 

• www.social-engineer.com 
• www.innocentlivesfoundation.org