Derek Haswell is the co-founder of the award-winning meditation app, Happier , where he spent the better part of a decade producing content with some of the world’s best meditation teachers & scientists — including the Dalai Lama. He now spends his time as an executive coach — helping leaders drive more impact while becoming more aligned. In this conversation, we explore the difference between the waking up path and healing. I was excited to explore this topic with Derek because many people, myself included, have experienced the limitations of pursuing either meditation or healing work in isolation. His perspective on integrating both approaches while staying grounded in joy and authenticity is refreshing and practical. For full show notes: https://blog.scottbritton.me/s/evolutionfm-podcast (00:00) Awakening Through Pain (02:57) The Struggles of Meditation (06:06) Waking Up vs. Healing (08:55) The Interplay of Healing and Awakening (12:08) Finding Your Path (14:49) The Shift in Practice (18:05) Joy as a Guide (21:06) Navigating Suffering (24:08) The Role of Intuition (26:58) The Power of Presence (29:50) Integrating Parts Work (33:06) The Adventure of Inner Work (35:56) The Dying of the Old Self (38:57) Emerging Intuition (42:05) The Dance of Parts and Presence (44:47) Exploring the Depths of Experience (51:43) Exploring Sadness and Self-Compassion (53:49) Connecting with the Inner Child (57:00) Embracing Unconditional Love (01:00:03) Integration and Transformation (01:09:00) Debriefing the Healing Process