Ben speaks with Dove Award-winning rapper and songwriter Dylan Phillips, AKA nobigdyl. for an honest conversation about faith, creativity, politics, and staying centered on Jesus in a divided world; from the story behind his song "imago interlude" to the Church’s need to rise above tribalism.

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Do you ever struggle to share your faith with those who won't walk into a church?

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Ben has completely revised and updated his powerful book, Jesus in the Secular World: Reaching a Culture in Crisis—a must-read guide for anyone longing to reach those who may never step foot in a church. Packed with real-world insights and practical strategies, this book could be the breakthrough you’ve been searching for.

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