Brandon Tatum discusses the finale of 'Convicting a Murderer.' They delve into the psychology of supporting a guilty person, a disturbing prison call, racism in the documentary, and evidence exposing a different side of the main characters.
The intense fandom surrounding Steven Avery, as depicted in the Conviction and Martyr documentary, highlights the psychology of confirmation bias and a desire for purpose in supporters, obscuring the significance of the murder victim in the case.
The phenomenon of women becoming infatuated with convicted killers, including Steven Avery, exhibits narcissism, delusion, and potential psychological emptiness, raising questions about their motivations and the absence of racial diversity among Avery's supporters.
Deep dives
Fanaticism and Fandom Surrounding Steven Avery Case
The discussion begins by highlighting the intense fandom surrounding Steven Avery, as depicted in the Conviction and Martyr documentary. The host and guest express their disbelief and amusement at the level of dedication exhibited by supporters from all over the world, who travel long distances, create songs, host rallies, and even pay for billboards to advocate for Avery's innocence. The conversation delves into the psychology of these supporters, suggesting confirmation bias and a desire to find purpose as potential factors. The hosts criticize the obsessive behavior and point out that it overlooks the significance of the murder victim in the case.
The Troubling Phenomenon of Women Falling in Love with Convicted Killers
The podcast explores the phenomenon of women becoming infatuated with convicted killers, citing examples like Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and Steven Avery. The hosts discuss the letters exchanged between Avery and his female fans, exposing their disturbing content. They question why these women are drawn to such relationships and highlight the narcissism, delusion, and potential psychological emptiness that may drive their motivations. The hosts also mention the absence of racial diversity among Avery's supporters, prompting a brief discussion on stereotyping and ignorance.
The Disturbing Family Dynamic of the Avery Clan
The conversation turns to a deep examination of the Avery family dynamic, particularly focusing on Steven Avery's father, referred to as 'Pa.' The hosts believe Pa's influence played a significant role in Brendan Dassey's refusal to take a plea deal. They provide examples of disturbing phone conversations between Pa and Steven Avery, where they make inappropriate and derogatory remarks regarding the murder victim. The hosts highlight the deviant behaviors exhibited by various members of the Avery clan, including instances of pedophilia, sexual deviancy, and abusive tendencies.
The Misleading Role of Documentary Makers
The hosts scrutinize the role of documentary makers in presenting Steven Avery's case, accusing them of bias and manipulating the narrative. They present evidence contradicting the claim made by the filmmakers that they were not taking sides and were not involved in advocating for Avery's defense. Recordings of phone calls between the filmmakers and Avery reveal their active participation in his defense and the information they provided to his attorneys. The hosts criticize how the filmmakers prioritized storytelling and profits over the truth and justice for the murder victim. They question the ethical choices made by the filmmakers and highlight the lack of consequences they faced.
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