The Late Show Pod Show with Stephen Colbert Fmr. NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins
Aug 4, 2025
Dr. Francis Collins, a physician-geneticist and former director of the NIH, discusses the troubling impact of political scrutiny on American scientists. He highlights the morale issues and potential brain drain as researchers seek opportunities abroad. Collins emphasizes that reduced funding threatens crucial medical research, particularly in cancer and vaccine development. He also advocates for rebuilding empathy in society, addressing the emotional fatigue stemming from political divides.
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NIH Research Restrictions Anecdote
- After January 20th, NIH research was heavily restricted from doing new projects or innovative work.
- Dr. Francis Collins felt muzzled and unable to pursue scientific ideas with his team.
Low Morale and Brain Drain
- NIH morale is at its lowest as scientists doubt their ability to achieve breakthroughs.
- Talented young scientists are considering leaving the U.S. for better opportunities abroad.
Brain Drain Destinations Shift
- The U.S. once attracted top international scientists, but now the trend is reversing with brain drain.
- Countries like Australia, UK, and China are increasingly attracting these talented researchers.