David Pescovitz is a former research director at Institute for the Future and a former editor at Boing Boing and Wired Magazine. Rushkoff and Pescovitz explore the characteristics of innovative people, simulation theory, and the importance of wonder in a conversation originally aired on WFMU's The Media Squat. You can access the full conversation now by becoming a contributing supporter at patreon.com/teamhuman. Get bonus content on Patreon